Post by Kiwi Frontline on Feb 4, 2019 5:05:58 GMT 12
Dominion Post 4/2/19
TREATY DOCUMENTS
Yet another alleged translation of the so-called ‘‘Treaty of Waitangi’’ (Treaty translation ‘labour of love’, Jan 28) . Nothing that any scribe today, saturated in modern supposed meanings of te reo, might write could possibly be superior to the official translation of 1869 by TE Young of the Native Department.
Even better than that is Hobson’s final draft of February 4, 1840, dubbed the ‘‘Littlewood Treaty’’ by officialdom and declared of no importance by the propagandists of the ‘‘Treaty-2-U’’ caravan because ‘‘it wasn’t signed’’.
Of course drafts are not normally signed and while it may have no importance as a legal document, it is of critical importance historically.
Because it upsets their theories and exposes the illegitimacy of much official policy, officialdom does not want to know about it.
Instead, we are required to accept James Freeman’s fake ‘‘Treaty in English’’, the second page of the document signed at Waikato Heads for an overflow of signatures. One wonders what effect this new ‘‘labour of love’’ will have on that perversion of the truth?
Wake up New Zealand. If you do not have a teaspoonful of Maori blood, you will soon become second-class citizens. The choice is yours. [abridged]
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
Bay of Plenty Times 4/2/19
MAORI PLACE NAMES
Greerton Shame on all our local authorities who are so insistent on Maori names for parks (for example: Phoenix park), libraries, streets and the polytech.
The very least you could do is put the English name up as well. If confusion is what you are trying to achieve, you are doing a great job.
The toilets in Bayfair are just as bad, how would any tourist know what “tane” and “hine” meant?
Just give us a break.
Maori are 14 per cent of the population and, whether you like it or not, the English language is the universal language.
To save on mass confusion have the decency to at least put both languages up.
The Katikati library is the same. You wouldn’t know it’s a library, in my opinion — no sign, just some longwinded Maori name.
It is amazing how many people have to ask where the library is.
Placing all these signs in just Maori names is, in my opinion, dumb and arrogant. (Abridged)
C HUMPHREYS, Katikati
Hawkes Bay Today 4/2/19
TIME TO RESET AND CELEBRATE NEW ZEALAND DAY
Waitangi Day celebrations will soon be disrupted once again by the circus of dysfunctional and disaffected. It should be a joyous day, celebrating an amazingly enlightened Treaty for its time with its citizen equality and property rights. Its commitment to law and order saw the end of tribal warfare and the development of a peaceful and pleasant democracy.
I cannot understand the foolishness of those determined to ruin the day. They reinterpret history, and promote lies, resentment, feudalism and separatism. Celebrating culture is to be encouraged, but instilling apartheid ideology is destructive and dangerous. The only winners are the greedy and selfish tribal mafia.
We just have to look around our homes, sports and workplaces to see that most of us are definitely united as New Zealanders. We cannot take the Maori out of the Pakeha, no more than we can take the Pakeha out of the Maori. We are one despite the usual familial quirks.
A national day reset is the solution. Let’s celebrate ‘New Zealand Day’, which is what most are already doing informally on 6th February anyway. Away from the political limelight, we are just Kiwis wanting to share good times with friends, family and our communities.
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
Wanganui Chronicle 4/2/19
WHAT DO READERS THINK?
H. Norton’s letter claiming that I am “wrong” ( Chronicle January 19) is such a falsehood. I point out that my letter addressed two claims being .”. . . the land was never put up for sale “and “the Government of the time had literally stolen Mangapapa”. I provided evidence and links supporting the facts that Mangapapa had been voluntarily offered and subsequently sold to the Crown for an agreed price.
H. Norton proffered no reasons to refute my evidence, instead commenting in general terms upon the laws of the day affecting the sale of Maori land “like Mangapapa” . . . but note, not specifically Mangapapa. He admits these sales were legal and claims they would not be so today.
We all know the law, society’s views and land valuations change over the years, but that is not an adequate cause to revisit a voluntary sale and agreed payment made over 100 years ago and to demand the return of the land along with compensation. Were it so, then I and thousands of other New Zealanders would be entitled to revisit the sale of land sold by our forebears and demand the return of that land along with compensation.
I conclude by repeating that the owners of the land were not forced to sell Mangapapa, nor had it “stolen” from them, instead they asked the Crown to buy it and had negotiated an agreed sale price.
H. Norton says I am wrong, but I believe that the editorial epithet, “land stolen legally” is a suitable oxymoron for his letter, but what, dear readers do you believe?
V W BALLANCE, Westmere
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers
TREATY DOCUMENTS
Yet another alleged translation of the so-called ‘‘Treaty of Waitangi’’ (Treaty translation ‘labour of love’, Jan 28) . Nothing that any scribe today, saturated in modern supposed meanings of te reo, might write could possibly be superior to the official translation of 1869 by TE Young of the Native Department.
Even better than that is Hobson’s final draft of February 4, 1840, dubbed the ‘‘Littlewood Treaty’’ by officialdom and declared of no importance by the propagandists of the ‘‘Treaty-2-U’’ caravan because ‘‘it wasn’t signed’’.
Of course drafts are not normally signed and while it may have no importance as a legal document, it is of critical importance historically.
Because it upsets their theories and exposes the illegitimacy of much official policy, officialdom does not want to know about it.
Instead, we are required to accept James Freeman’s fake ‘‘Treaty in English’’, the second page of the document signed at Waikato Heads for an overflow of signatures. One wonders what effect this new ‘‘labour of love’’ will have on that perversion of the truth?
Wake up New Zealand. If you do not have a teaspoonful of Maori blood, you will soon become second-class citizens. The choice is yours. [abridged]
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
Bay of Plenty Times 4/2/19
MAORI PLACE NAMES
Greerton Shame on all our local authorities who are so insistent on Maori names for parks (for example: Phoenix park), libraries, streets and the polytech.
The very least you could do is put the English name up as well. If confusion is what you are trying to achieve, you are doing a great job.
The toilets in Bayfair are just as bad, how would any tourist know what “tane” and “hine” meant?
Just give us a break.
Maori are 14 per cent of the population and, whether you like it or not, the English language is the universal language.
To save on mass confusion have the decency to at least put both languages up.
The Katikati library is the same. You wouldn’t know it’s a library, in my opinion — no sign, just some longwinded Maori name.
It is amazing how many people have to ask where the library is.
Placing all these signs in just Maori names is, in my opinion, dumb and arrogant. (Abridged)
C HUMPHREYS, Katikati
Hawkes Bay Today 4/2/19
TIME TO RESET AND CELEBRATE NEW ZEALAND DAY
Waitangi Day celebrations will soon be disrupted once again by the circus of dysfunctional and disaffected. It should be a joyous day, celebrating an amazingly enlightened Treaty for its time with its citizen equality and property rights. Its commitment to law and order saw the end of tribal warfare and the development of a peaceful and pleasant democracy.
I cannot understand the foolishness of those determined to ruin the day. They reinterpret history, and promote lies, resentment, feudalism and separatism. Celebrating culture is to be encouraged, but instilling apartheid ideology is destructive and dangerous. The only winners are the greedy and selfish tribal mafia.
We just have to look around our homes, sports and workplaces to see that most of us are definitely united as New Zealanders. We cannot take the Maori out of the Pakeha, no more than we can take the Pakeha out of the Maori. We are one despite the usual familial quirks.
A national day reset is the solution. Let’s celebrate ‘New Zealand Day’, which is what most are already doing informally on 6th February anyway. Away from the political limelight, we are just Kiwis wanting to share good times with friends, family and our communities.
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
Wanganui Chronicle 4/2/19
WHAT DO READERS THINK?
H. Norton’s letter claiming that I am “wrong” ( Chronicle January 19) is such a falsehood. I point out that my letter addressed two claims being .”. . . the land was never put up for sale “and “the Government of the time had literally stolen Mangapapa”. I provided evidence and links supporting the facts that Mangapapa had been voluntarily offered and subsequently sold to the Crown for an agreed price.
H. Norton proffered no reasons to refute my evidence, instead commenting in general terms upon the laws of the day affecting the sale of Maori land “like Mangapapa” . . . but note, not specifically Mangapapa. He admits these sales were legal and claims they would not be so today.
We all know the law, society’s views and land valuations change over the years, but that is not an adequate cause to revisit a voluntary sale and agreed payment made over 100 years ago and to demand the return of the land along with compensation. Were it so, then I and thousands of other New Zealanders would be entitled to revisit the sale of land sold by our forebears and demand the return of that land along with compensation.
I conclude by repeating that the owners of the land were not forced to sell Mangapapa, nor had it “stolen” from them, instead they asked the Crown to buy it and had negotiated an agreed sale price.
H. Norton says I am wrong, but I believe that the editorial epithet, “land stolen legally” is a suitable oxymoron for his letter, but what, dear readers do you believe?
V W BALLANCE, Westmere
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers