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Northern Advocate 28/5/19
HEK BUSBY SAID IT
Hek Busby said that he was sick of Ngapuhi and Its endless disagreements. I think they are cursed. Good Job a Maori said it In fact It took a maori to say It. Hekenukumal „The Mainest Man.
But now. no one drops that sentiment into the public debate. Why? Because It Is contrary to the culture of Post Colonial hand wringing angst of ill at ease liberal Pakeha. Which goes hand in hand with the mangled historical outlook of the coterie of self righteous Maori pseudo-peddling their rubbish korero of hapu never ceded sovereignty, and Captain Cook was a mass murderer along with being the sadistic willing tool of White Devil Supremacist Imperialism
So we end up with the endless cycle of guilt and grievance, and the unwholesome spectacle of reruns of one-eyed myopic versions of quasi-history adapted to suit these peoples' self absorbed egotistic agendas.
Move on. Neke neke! What happened. happened. just like the Musket Wars happened.and the Land Wars happened. And Hobson bought Auckland for two bob an acre.
So what do we need to do now?
Yesterday Is Just a memory.
Tomorrow is never what It's meant to. Will a hundred million dollars save the day? Or will it require individuals taking a bit of personal responsibility to make the change happen? Cop Out or Cop On?
Hek said he was determined to make something of his life. So he did. That's Copping On
GM TINKER Whangarei
Northland Age 28/5/19
MANIFESTLY WRONG
Clearly Tim Howard (letters, NZ Herald May 23) has never read Te Tiriti that 540 chiefs signed. Article 1 clearly cedes sovereignty to the Queen of England. This is the only legitimate Treaty translated from the final draft English version (Littlewood Draft).
The chiefs ceded full sovereignty (kawanatanga), and they knew it. Read the chiefs' speeches in Colenso's record, further supported by chiefs' speeches at Kohimarama 20 years later. It is utterly absurd therefore to say that in Article 2 they somehow retained it
He further discredits himself in referencing a racially stacked, biased Waitangi Tribunal report, who the then Attorney-General, Christopher Finlayson rebutted in the media:"There is no question that the Crown has sovereignty in New Zealand. This report doesn't change that fact."
Auckland University Professor Paul Moon also stated at the time: “I was shocked by some of the statements contained in the report. This is not a concern about some trivial detail, but over the fundament al history of our country, which the Tribunal has got manifestly wrong."
Perhaps Mr Howard could explain, if the chiefs still thought they had full chieftainship, then why did they release their slaves, cease cannibalism, female infanticide and tribal warfare?
GEOFF PARKER Kamo
SOVEREIGNTY CEDED
It is important that we know our history, and not a distorted version of the facts, as shown in the Waitangi Tribunal's ruling on the claim that Ngapuhi did not cede sovereignty to the Queen.
Article 1 of the Treaty, on sovereignty, was accepted unreservedly by the chiefs, and Hone Heke, who was the first to sign, exhorted others to do the same. Hongi Hika, previously the legendary rangatira of Ngapuhi, was succeeded by Tamati Waka Nene. His tombstone in the Russell churchyard still bears the epitaph: First to welcome Queen's Sovereignty.
At the Kohimarama Conference in 1860 Ngapuhi were represented by Tamati Waka, Wiremu Kaitara, Huirua Mangonui, Wiremu Hau, Tango Hikuwai, Wi Tete, Hori Kingi. The conference unanimously endorsed the sovereignty of the Queen, and also denounced the 1858 Kingite movement in the Waikato.
History is a verifiable recording of facts and not convenient opinions or wishful thinking. The Waitangi 'flibunal is once more shown to be unreliable and its rulings biased.
BRYAN JOHNSON Omokoroa
CARELESS IGNORANCE
The careless ignorance of those who lead us in central and local government today is breathtaking. It is almost impossible to find a 'leader' who does lead, and who doesn't simply cave in to whatever politically correct proposal raises its ugly head.
I'm prompted to make this comment by what I read recently in my free local twice weekly racist rag. In this instance, another part-Maori group (Maniapoto something), not content with their demand to Maorify the name of northern King Country's only non-Maorified village (Benneydale), is stepping up its demands and flexing it’s muscles in the direction of the Otorohanga District Council, demanding the addition of a macron to the name Otorohanga, via their comrades-in-aims, the National Geographic Board.
That anyone would take any notice of such a ridiculous proposition is beyond me, but the Mayor of Otorohanga is genuflecting to this demand in "an effort to embrace New Zealand's indigenous culture."
On the one hand, Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand. It is well known and acknowledged even by the most careless historians that Maori came to New Zealand from somewhere else. That's generally thought to be the Republic of China.
On the other hand, Maori had no written language until the British missionaries created it, using the English alphabet, phonetics and punctuation.
There are no macrons in English language, and there were no macrons in the written Maori language. But hey, if it helps to keep one in power, run with it, eh?
LEO LEITCH Taupo
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HEK BUSBY SAID IT
Hek Busby said that he was sick of Ngapuhi and Its endless disagreements. I think they are cursed. Good Job a Maori said it In fact It took a maori to say It. Hekenukumal „The Mainest Man.
But now. no one drops that sentiment into the public debate. Why? Because It Is contrary to the culture of Post Colonial hand wringing angst of ill at ease liberal Pakeha. Which goes hand in hand with the mangled historical outlook of the coterie of self righteous Maori pseudo-peddling their rubbish korero of hapu never ceded sovereignty, and Captain Cook was a mass murderer along with being the sadistic willing tool of White Devil Supremacist Imperialism
So we end up with the endless cycle of guilt and grievance, and the unwholesome spectacle of reruns of one-eyed myopic versions of quasi-history adapted to suit these peoples' self absorbed egotistic agendas.
Move on. Neke neke! What happened. happened. just like the Musket Wars happened.and the Land Wars happened. And Hobson bought Auckland for two bob an acre.
So what do we need to do now?
Yesterday Is Just a memory.
Tomorrow is never what It's meant to. Will a hundred million dollars save the day? Or will it require individuals taking a bit of personal responsibility to make the change happen? Cop Out or Cop On?
Hek said he was determined to make something of his life. So he did. That's Copping On
GM TINKER Whangarei
Northland Age 28/5/19
MANIFESTLY WRONG
Clearly Tim Howard (letters, NZ Herald May 23) has never read Te Tiriti that 540 chiefs signed. Article 1 clearly cedes sovereignty to the Queen of England. This is the only legitimate Treaty translated from the final draft English version (Littlewood Draft).
The chiefs ceded full sovereignty (kawanatanga), and they knew it. Read the chiefs' speeches in Colenso's record, further supported by chiefs' speeches at Kohimarama 20 years later. It is utterly absurd therefore to say that in Article 2 they somehow retained it
He further discredits himself in referencing a racially stacked, biased Waitangi Tribunal report, who the then Attorney-General, Christopher Finlayson rebutted in the media:"There is no question that the Crown has sovereignty in New Zealand. This report doesn't change that fact."
Auckland University Professor Paul Moon also stated at the time: “I was shocked by some of the statements contained in the report. This is not a concern about some trivial detail, but over the fundament al history of our country, which the Tribunal has got manifestly wrong."
Perhaps Mr Howard could explain, if the chiefs still thought they had full chieftainship, then why did they release their slaves, cease cannibalism, female infanticide and tribal warfare?
GEOFF PARKER Kamo
SOVEREIGNTY CEDED
It is important that we know our history, and not a distorted version of the facts, as shown in the Waitangi Tribunal's ruling on the claim that Ngapuhi did not cede sovereignty to the Queen.
Article 1 of the Treaty, on sovereignty, was accepted unreservedly by the chiefs, and Hone Heke, who was the first to sign, exhorted others to do the same. Hongi Hika, previously the legendary rangatira of Ngapuhi, was succeeded by Tamati Waka Nene. His tombstone in the Russell churchyard still bears the epitaph: First to welcome Queen's Sovereignty.
At the Kohimarama Conference in 1860 Ngapuhi were represented by Tamati Waka, Wiremu Kaitara, Huirua Mangonui, Wiremu Hau, Tango Hikuwai, Wi Tete, Hori Kingi. The conference unanimously endorsed the sovereignty of the Queen, and also denounced the 1858 Kingite movement in the Waikato.
History is a verifiable recording of facts and not convenient opinions or wishful thinking. The Waitangi 'flibunal is once more shown to be unreliable and its rulings biased.
BRYAN JOHNSON Omokoroa
CARELESS IGNORANCE
The careless ignorance of those who lead us in central and local government today is breathtaking. It is almost impossible to find a 'leader' who does lead, and who doesn't simply cave in to whatever politically correct proposal raises its ugly head.
I'm prompted to make this comment by what I read recently in my free local twice weekly racist rag. In this instance, another part-Maori group (Maniapoto something), not content with their demand to Maorify the name of northern King Country's only non-Maorified village (Benneydale), is stepping up its demands and flexing it’s muscles in the direction of the Otorohanga District Council, demanding the addition of a macron to the name Otorohanga, via their comrades-in-aims, the National Geographic Board.
That anyone would take any notice of such a ridiculous proposition is beyond me, but the Mayor of Otorohanga is genuflecting to this demand in "an effort to embrace New Zealand's indigenous culture."
On the one hand, Maori are not indigenous to New Zealand. It is well known and acknowledged even by the most careless historians that Maori came to New Zealand from somewhere else. That's generally thought to be the Republic of China.
On the other hand, Maori had no written language until the British missionaries created it, using the English alphabet, phonetics and punctuation.
There are no macrons in English language, and there were no macrons in the written Maori language. But hey, if it helps to keep one in power, run with it, eh?
LEO LEITCH Taupo
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers