Post by Kiwi Frontline on Oct 18, 2019 5:39:24 GMT 12
Weekend Sun / Sunlive 18/10/19
FACING UP TO HISTORY
I agree with B. Johnson’s letter (The Weekend Sun, October 11). Our current Govt is introducing compulsory NZ History to be taught in schools by 2022. Yet another ploy in which to retain/gain Maori votes.
Maori activists are hell-bent on painting Captain Cook’s discovery, and the subsequent settling of Pakeha in NZ, as the worst thing that ever happened.
They need to read the history books and face up to the true accounts of what was happening in NZ up until around 1860.
Maori had been continually at war with each other for centuries. No law and order, no government, no health care, strongest tribes take all, complete anarchy.
Wholesale murder, enslavement and cannibalism was rampant throughout NZ, including the Chatham Islands, (where Moriori were 99 per cent wiped out).
Maori lived in continual fear, not peace.
So will the ‘real and truthful’ version of early NZ History be compulsorily taught in schools from 2022 or will our youngsters be indoctrinated with a fabricated and fake version?
Who says you can’t rewrite history. Some Maori seem to think they can.
PETER KELLY, Te Puna
Northland Age 17/10/19
TRUE TO FORM
What Wally Hicks has done (letters 10/10/19), is something leftist treatyists do all the time when devoid of valid argument in the face of presented facts: - fly moral equivalence arguments. This bogus tactic is engaged in to suggest that two unrelated wrongs make a "right," or at least cancel one another out - ie Rua Kenana’s ideologies is rather laughable in relation to religious and political history, Why is Kenana’s polygamy any worse than other founders of religious sects or communities, tribal war, do they mean the type fought within and between nation states and religions throughout Western Christendom's history?
Wally says my figures of 50 plus who perished at Maungapohatu are unsubstantiated, yet historian Judith Binney- section 362 tinyurl.com/yxwmos8j states - ˜The death registers reveal the harshness of life at Maungapohatu: the tragically high number of child deaths due to influenza, gastro-enteritis, typhoid, and whooping cough. In the years 1924-1936, 57 people died, in a community of about 30 families.
The Tohunga Suppression Act 1907 grew out of concern over the practices of some self-appointed tohunga who played on superstition and claims of cure for all kinds of illness. There were few prosecutions under the Act, and few convictions. It was repealed in 1962. The dangers of these Tohungas is shown by a case in 2009 when five people were convicted of the manslaughter of their family member, Janet Moses, after drowning her in a ritual after advice from a Tohunga that she was suffering under a makutu, or Maori curse. Only wack jobs would condemn the TSA 1907.
Were the ˜tribal (musket) wars” encouraged by European contact as Hicks asserts? If that was the case then why did the Brits go to the trouble of drafting the TOW which outlawed tribal warfare, convert many Maori to Christianity and preserve their language (written).
Did the ˜tribal men” (Hicks’s label) who wrote the United States constitution write into it racial separatism? I think not, and there is my answer as to why Wally’s Maori nationalist group with a Maori sovereignty agenda should not have any input into a written constitution for New Zealand.
Pakeha guilt? If there is any guilt in NZ today it is carried by some in Maoridom, they use and value all the introduced inventions, systems etc and know that Maori as a race have contributed very little. Everything above the ground except for trees was built by the ˜wicked white coloniser’.
Coloniser privilege? In 1831 some chiefs begged the Brits for protection mainly from the French (Yates letter to King William IV) and British system of governance to prevent tribal warfare. They got this in the 1840 TOW, the chiefs then sold most of New Zealand on willing buyer/seller basis. Then through unimaginable sheer hard work the ˜wicked white colonisers have achieved the ˜coloniser privilege” that Mikaere and her cronies benefit from today in a modern democratic society.
There is nothing in Article 2 of the treaty that even implies maori self-determination as Hicks asserts, Article 2 speaks only about property rights for ALL New Zealanders and the requirement for Maori landowners to negotiate only with the Queen should they wish to sell this to protect unenlightened Maori sellers from unscrupulous land buyers.
Lastly, I requested evidence to ˜Pakeha myth making and Hicks to date fails to specifically point to any? Need I say more.
GEOFF PARKER, Kamo
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers
FACING UP TO HISTORY
I agree with B. Johnson’s letter (The Weekend Sun, October 11). Our current Govt is introducing compulsory NZ History to be taught in schools by 2022. Yet another ploy in which to retain/gain Maori votes.
Maori activists are hell-bent on painting Captain Cook’s discovery, and the subsequent settling of Pakeha in NZ, as the worst thing that ever happened.
They need to read the history books and face up to the true accounts of what was happening in NZ up until around 1860.
Maori had been continually at war with each other for centuries. No law and order, no government, no health care, strongest tribes take all, complete anarchy.
Wholesale murder, enslavement and cannibalism was rampant throughout NZ, including the Chatham Islands, (where Moriori were 99 per cent wiped out).
Maori lived in continual fear, not peace.
So will the ‘real and truthful’ version of early NZ History be compulsorily taught in schools from 2022 or will our youngsters be indoctrinated with a fabricated and fake version?
Who says you can’t rewrite history. Some Maori seem to think they can.
PETER KELLY, Te Puna
Northland Age 17/10/19
TRUE TO FORM
What Wally Hicks has done (letters 10/10/19), is something leftist treatyists do all the time when devoid of valid argument in the face of presented facts: - fly moral equivalence arguments. This bogus tactic is engaged in to suggest that two unrelated wrongs make a "right," or at least cancel one another out - ie Rua Kenana’s ideologies is rather laughable in relation to religious and political history, Why is Kenana’s polygamy any worse than other founders of religious sects or communities, tribal war, do they mean the type fought within and between nation states and religions throughout Western Christendom's history?
Wally says my figures of 50 plus who perished at Maungapohatu are unsubstantiated, yet historian Judith Binney- section 362 tinyurl.com/yxwmos8j states - ˜The death registers reveal the harshness of life at Maungapohatu: the tragically high number of child deaths due to influenza, gastro-enteritis, typhoid, and whooping cough. In the years 1924-1936, 57 people died, in a community of about 30 families.
The Tohunga Suppression Act 1907 grew out of concern over the practices of some self-appointed tohunga who played on superstition and claims of cure for all kinds of illness. There were few prosecutions under the Act, and few convictions. It was repealed in 1962. The dangers of these Tohungas is shown by a case in 2009 when five people were convicted of the manslaughter of their family member, Janet Moses, after drowning her in a ritual after advice from a Tohunga that she was suffering under a makutu, or Maori curse. Only wack jobs would condemn the TSA 1907.
Were the ˜tribal (musket) wars” encouraged by European contact as Hicks asserts? If that was the case then why did the Brits go to the trouble of drafting the TOW which outlawed tribal warfare, convert many Maori to Christianity and preserve their language (written).
Did the ˜tribal men” (Hicks’s label) who wrote the United States constitution write into it racial separatism? I think not, and there is my answer as to why Wally’s Maori nationalist group with a Maori sovereignty agenda should not have any input into a written constitution for New Zealand.
Pakeha guilt? If there is any guilt in NZ today it is carried by some in Maoridom, they use and value all the introduced inventions, systems etc and know that Maori as a race have contributed very little. Everything above the ground except for trees was built by the ˜wicked white coloniser’.
Coloniser privilege? In 1831 some chiefs begged the Brits for protection mainly from the French (Yates letter to King William IV) and British system of governance to prevent tribal warfare. They got this in the 1840 TOW, the chiefs then sold most of New Zealand on willing buyer/seller basis. Then through unimaginable sheer hard work the ˜wicked white colonisers have achieved the ˜coloniser privilege” that Mikaere and her cronies benefit from today in a modern democratic society.
There is nothing in Article 2 of the treaty that even implies maori self-determination as Hicks asserts, Article 2 speaks only about property rights for ALL New Zealanders and the requirement for Maori landowners to negotiate only with the Queen should they wish to sell this to protect unenlightened Maori sellers from unscrupulous land buyers.
Lastly, I requested evidence to ˜Pakeha myth making and Hicks to date fails to specifically point to any? Need I say more.
GEOFF PARKER, Kamo
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers