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Northland Age 17/12/19
TREATY TWISTERS
A Northern Advocate letter to the Editor (25/11/19) stated that: 'His Royal Highness, in his speech, constantly referred to The Crown and Tangata Whenua as being "Treaty partners" – this was a gross perversion of the truth and all too typical of the many treaty-twisters in our midst. The Prince referred to a ‘partnership’ between two peoples (dubious enough in itself) but made no reference to ‘a Crown/Maori partnership’ in his speech at Waitangi.
The Prince also referred to Apirana Ngata 1940: “....treaty partners’ standing together...”. Yet in 1922 Ngata said - “If you think these things are wrong, then blame your ancestors who gave away their rights when they were strong”.
Recently in a Waateanews interview Dr Don Brash said “this talk about partnership is clearly garbage….there is nothing in the treaty about partnership, it is quite explicitly not a partnership between the Crown and Maori, it is a contract between the Crown and the people of New Zealand, all of them….’people as different as David Lange and Winston Peters have said it (partnership) is a nonsense an absurdity’ - but it has been perpetrated by people who seek advantage by pushing that particular view….” www.waateanews.com/uma/play_podcast/x_podlink/ODMxMzQ=/
The Treaty did not create a Crown/Maori partnership. Even in the big 1987 case, the Court of Appeal used the word partners interchangeably with the word parties, and spoke also of a relationship ‘AKIN to’ a partnership. In a later case even Cooke P made it quite plain that not even all real genuine partnerships ~ which this was not ~ are ones of equals. It is constitutionally impossible for a subject to be the partner of the Crown. The entire gist of the Treaty was the recognition of the Crown’s sovereignty.
GEOFF PARKER, Kamo
HISTORY BURIED
In 1521 there were 3 Spanish Ships that called into Hao Atoll where it is recorded picked up 100 Islanders and brought them into Kaipara Harbour on the south head to a Waitaha village called AOTEA the name of one of the Spanish ships which picked them up was called TAI-NUI, 1860 maps make no mention of a people called Tainui in Waikato, they were called Ngati Mahuto or Waikato.
No waka called Tainui ever arrived in New Zealand, it was made from a New Zealand timber. Years ago the elders of the area decided to excavate their migration canoe-they took samples to the Waikato University and had them examined it, it was found to be carved out of Kauri it was promptly returned and reburied.
IAN BROUGHAM, Wanganui
Weekend Sun / Sunlive 13/15/19
WE ARE ONE? SAYS JACINDA
David Clark, Health Minister, has appointed 13 new Health Board Chairs, four are Maori, why even mention that fact, if not using it as a political football for the coming election?
It matters not which ethnic group a person comes from if a person is suitable for the position.
Jacinda's ‘We are One’? Until Election time? We need a national health system for everyone be they red, black, pink or tartan.
The system now is a game for most political parties, give into those who make the most noise, that you wouldn’t put up from your children, give anything to gain power, that’s the name of this game.
Vote only for the party that believes ‘we are one’ and acts on it.
Some want the present situation to last forever.
R CHAMBERLAIN, Tauranga.
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers
TREATY TWISTERS
A Northern Advocate letter to the Editor (25/11/19) stated that: 'His Royal Highness, in his speech, constantly referred to The Crown and Tangata Whenua as being "Treaty partners" – this was a gross perversion of the truth and all too typical of the many treaty-twisters in our midst. The Prince referred to a ‘partnership’ between two peoples (dubious enough in itself) but made no reference to ‘a Crown/Maori partnership’ in his speech at Waitangi.
The Prince also referred to Apirana Ngata 1940: “....treaty partners’ standing together...”. Yet in 1922 Ngata said - “If you think these things are wrong, then blame your ancestors who gave away their rights when they were strong”.
Recently in a Waateanews interview Dr Don Brash said “this talk about partnership is clearly garbage….there is nothing in the treaty about partnership, it is quite explicitly not a partnership between the Crown and Maori, it is a contract between the Crown and the people of New Zealand, all of them….’people as different as David Lange and Winston Peters have said it (partnership) is a nonsense an absurdity’ - but it has been perpetrated by people who seek advantage by pushing that particular view….” www.waateanews.com/uma/play_podcast/x_podlink/ODMxMzQ=/
The Treaty did not create a Crown/Maori partnership. Even in the big 1987 case, the Court of Appeal used the word partners interchangeably with the word parties, and spoke also of a relationship ‘AKIN to’ a partnership. In a later case even Cooke P made it quite plain that not even all real genuine partnerships ~ which this was not ~ are ones of equals. It is constitutionally impossible for a subject to be the partner of the Crown. The entire gist of the Treaty was the recognition of the Crown’s sovereignty.
GEOFF PARKER, Kamo
HISTORY BURIED
In 1521 there were 3 Spanish Ships that called into Hao Atoll where it is recorded picked up 100 Islanders and brought them into Kaipara Harbour on the south head to a Waitaha village called AOTEA the name of one of the Spanish ships which picked them up was called TAI-NUI, 1860 maps make no mention of a people called Tainui in Waikato, they were called Ngati Mahuto or Waikato.
No waka called Tainui ever arrived in New Zealand, it was made from a New Zealand timber. Years ago the elders of the area decided to excavate their migration canoe-they took samples to the Waikato University and had them examined it, it was found to be carved out of Kauri it was promptly returned and reburied.
IAN BROUGHAM, Wanganui
Weekend Sun / Sunlive 13/15/19
WE ARE ONE? SAYS JACINDA
David Clark, Health Minister, has appointed 13 new Health Board Chairs, four are Maori, why even mention that fact, if not using it as a political football for the coming election?
It matters not which ethnic group a person comes from if a person is suitable for the position.
Jacinda's ‘We are One’? Until Election time? We need a national health system for everyone be they red, black, pink or tartan.
The system now is a game for most political parties, give into those who make the most noise, that you wouldn’t put up from your children, give anything to gain power, that’s the name of this game.
Vote only for the party that believes ‘we are one’ and acts on it.
Some want the present situation to last forever.
R CHAMBERLAIN, Tauranga.
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers