Post by Kiwi Frontline on Oct 23, 2022 17:37:54 GMT 12
P H writes > WHAT “LAND THEFT”?
Pre-Treaty NZ was inhabited by around 600 of what Lord Normanby in his 1839 instruction to Captain Hobson on the eve of his departure to NZ as “dispersed and petty tribes, who possess few if any political relations to one another, and who have proved incapable to act or even deliberate in concert.
There was no nation state or anything remotely approaching a national consensus to form one.
In the absence of a universally accepted, settled form of civil government, every tribe was in a Hobbesian State of Nature with every other tribe.
“Every man’s hand is against every other man’s,” “no man is secure in his life or in his property,” and “life is nasty, brutish, and short.”
Ownership of land and personal property was in any meaningful sense impossible. You simply used or occupied it until a stronger bunch of bullyboys took it off you.
If you believe otherwise, feel free to tell us all where the survey office, land titles registry, police stations, and law courts were located.
Some 4% of New Zealand’s land area was eventually confiscated frim the handful of tribes who challenged the sovereignty of the Crown and lost.
Sir Apirana Ngata said: “These confiscations cannot be objected to in the light of the Treaty. They were in accordance with Maori custom: plunder to avenge a wrong.
The balance 96% of NZ’s land area was voluntarily ‘sold’ by the chiefs in hundreds of transactions.
This was money for jam, since as we have seen, Maori didn’t own anything anyway.
Pre-Treaty NZ was inhabited by around 600 of what Lord Normanby in his 1839 instruction to Captain Hobson on the eve of his departure to NZ as “dispersed and petty tribes, who possess few if any political relations to one another, and who have proved incapable to act or even deliberate in concert.
There was no nation state or anything remotely approaching a national consensus to form one.
In the absence of a universally accepted, settled form of civil government, every tribe was in a Hobbesian State of Nature with every other tribe.
“Every man’s hand is against every other man’s,” “no man is secure in his life or in his property,” and “life is nasty, brutish, and short.”
Ownership of land and personal property was in any meaningful sense impossible. You simply used or occupied it until a stronger bunch of bullyboys took it off you.
If you believe otherwise, feel free to tell us all where the survey office, land titles registry, police stations, and law courts were located.
Some 4% of New Zealand’s land area was eventually confiscated frim the handful of tribes who challenged the sovereignty of the Crown and lost.
Sir Apirana Ngata said: “These confiscations cannot be objected to in the light of the Treaty. They were in accordance with Maori custom: plunder to avenge a wrong.
The balance 96% of NZ’s land area was voluntarily ‘sold’ by the chiefs in hundreds of transactions.
This was money for jam, since as we have seen, Maori didn’t own anything anyway.