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Nelson Mail 8/10/16
HONEST BRASH
Gary Clover is at it again with his mis-statements about the Treaty of Waitangi and attack on an honest man, Don Brash.
So, the Treaty, a document in the Ngapuhi dialect of Maori and nothing else. Article first: the chiefs agreed to yield sovereignty (kawanatanga) to the Queen, completely and for ever.
Article second: the property rights (tino rangatiratanga) of the chiefs, families and all the people of New Zealand (tangata katoa o Nu Mani) were guaranteed. (This is actually redundant as existing British subjects had such rights already and article third bestowed them on all Maori. A provision for sale of land was relaxed.)
Article third: all Maoris (tangata Maori katoa) received the full rights of British subjects. (This including the slaves of other Maoris - surely a godsend for those many slaves.)
"Article fourth": Non-existent, Mr Clover. The "shared sovereignty" of Mr Clover and the so-called "Maori king" is nonsense which treats the Treaty of Waitangi with contempt.
H M
Richmond,
Northern Advocate 8/10/16
LAW UNEQUAL
Don Brash has announced this week a "Hobson's Pledge Trust" with the main thrust of one people, one nation. One law. This has brought the shut-him down, he is a racist and a bigot. This is ignorance, the worst kind of attitude to what should be open discussion.
On the Sunday TV3 The Nation programme, presenter Lisa Owen, usually a very good interviewer, smirked as she introduced the subject, and Don Brash and Louisa Wall.
There can be no doubt those of Maori descent are being treated differently in a host of ways and through the enactment of laws. Consider the Resource Management Act; the Conservation Act, the urge for local government to create separate Maori wards; the central government giving itself rights to appoint councillors to Environment Canterbury and giving Ngai Tahu the right to appoint three councillors to that same authority.
Democracy. Louisa Wall did not dispute there are differences but defended the morality of those differences. Today we learn that when the Overseas Investment Office granted [Russian billionaire Alexander] Abromov the right to buy his 215ha farm north of Whangarei in 2009, it was on the condition that he gave public access across that land to the beach. In March 2015 with the approval of the 0I0, that requirement was amended to give the access rights to Ngati Wai only. What happened to the Seabed and Fbreshore which gave free and public access to our beaches?
When our family sit around the table together with our grand-children — three of part-Dutch ancestry, one of part-Niuean ancestry and two of part-Maori ancestry — how can we justify the special rights and services just two have, over the other four? Is this the best way forward for this multi-cultural country to be a nation of integrity, equality, emancipation, unity. The media has a responsibility to support open discussion and to report without bias.
R L
Whangarei
Bay of Plenty Times 8/10/16
WHO'S TO BLAME?
I agree with .Jan Hill’s criticism of Tommy. Kapai’s column on the Hobson’s Pledge (Letters, October 6).
Kapai, in my opinion, plays the old tune of wealthy whites — most of whom have worked hard for their money. Some Maori tribes are among the richest people in New Zealand. Why do these wealthy Maori not share their riches with those who are alleged to be living in poverty? Why is it that 60 per cent of children in CYF care are Maori out of a population of 18 per cent? Why are our prisons bursting at the seams with Maori offenders?
Under the Treaty of Waitangi, we became one people (New Zealanders) under British law, Maori included. Why is it that, over 170 years later, there are people still trying to dig up what I believe to be old, unproven allegations?
Due to colonisation, we live in a wonderfull country. Look at the state of other nations and let's be thankful. It is up to Maori themselves to achieve (Abridged)
M B
Tauranga
Dominion Post 8/10/16 (To the Point section)
Rosemary McLeod (October 6) criticises Colin Craig for suggesting there is 'no need for Maori seats in Parliament'. Craig is not alone in this view as it was part of the recommendations of the Royal Commission on the Electoral System.
R H
Carterton
Sunlive / Weekend Sun 7/10/16
SHARE THE ‘NATION’S CAKE’ EVENLY
Tariana Turia, has excelled herself in the rabid rhetoric and looney logic she employs in her latest ‘NZ Herald' article. It appears the multitude of problems besetting Maori are the result of governmental, departmental and institutional racism.
The fact that twice as many Maori children, under five years old, are referred to CYF she implies is the fault of the department and not an indication of poor parenting.
The fact that health centre research shows Maori suffer poorer health in the areas of obstetrics, heart, renal and mental health she claims are the result of institutional racism with no consideration of self-indulgent lifestyles that may result in these conditions. Which department is responsible for Maori committing crimes?
Her referral to practices in Great Britain have little relevance to New Zealand conditions. We do not have the large number and diversity of immigrants, a reason for the success of Brexit.
What other country would require trainee nurses to study the protocols and absorb the customs of a single ethnic group exclusively as was a requirement in NZ, where many trainees nurses also had to spend a night sleeping on a marae? Were not hospital visiting regulations relaxed to suit Maori cultural.
Ms Turia, you would be better employed in encouraging the controllers of the $40 billion Treaty Settlement ‘nest-egg' to spend some of it in solving Maori problems.
None of the self-styled tangata whenua is more than 50 per cent Maori. We are all a mixture of ethnicities and so should regard ourselves as New Zealanders, share the ‘nation's cake' evenly and dispense with egregious claims.
B J
Omokoroa.
UNPROVEN FACTS
On ‘The Nation' on TV3 on October 2 Larissa Wall made a comment that Maori are indigenous to NZ. This cannot be proven with facts. DNA testing, carbon dating, and archaeological evidence prove three or four cultures were here prior to Polynesian Maori arrival 700 years ago.
What happened to the Patupaiairehei (ancient surveyors)? Who drove Ngati Hotu, the redheaded, blue-eyed people to the brink of extinction? These peoples' DNA goes back 1800 years out of Persia.
Who annihilated the Turehu peoples and then there is the innocent Waitaha and the peaceable Moriori? They all pre-dated Maori arrival in NZ. Maui arrived from Egypt in 231BC.
Why does a so-called ‘free' country have 110 archaeological sites embargoed? Much evidence of NZ's blood thirsty history pre-European arrival is being systematically destroyed by persons who have an agenda to bury the truth and gain Maori sovereignty.
MJ A
Pyes Pa.
HONEST BRASH
Gary Clover is at it again with his mis-statements about the Treaty of Waitangi and attack on an honest man, Don Brash.
So, the Treaty, a document in the Ngapuhi dialect of Maori and nothing else. Article first: the chiefs agreed to yield sovereignty (kawanatanga) to the Queen, completely and for ever.
Article second: the property rights (tino rangatiratanga) of the chiefs, families and all the people of New Zealand (tangata katoa o Nu Mani) were guaranteed. (This is actually redundant as existing British subjects had such rights already and article third bestowed them on all Maori. A provision for sale of land was relaxed.)
Article third: all Maoris (tangata Maori katoa) received the full rights of British subjects. (This including the slaves of other Maoris - surely a godsend for those many slaves.)
"Article fourth": Non-existent, Mr Clover. The "shared sovereignty" of Mr Clover and the so-called "Maori king" is nonsense which treats the Treaty of Waitangi with contempt.
H M
Richmond,
Northern Advocate 8/10/16
LAW UNEQUAL
Don Brash has announced this week a "Hobson's Pledge Trust" with the main thrust of one people, one nation. One law. This has brought the shut-him down, he is a racist and a bigot. This is ignorance, the worst kind of attitude to what should be open discussion.
On the Sunday TV3 The Nation programme, presenter Lisa Owen, usually a very good interviewer, smirked as she introduced the subject, and Don Brash and Louisa Wall.
There can be no doubt those of Maori descent are being treated differently in a host of ways and through the enactment of laws. Consider the Resource Management Act; the Conservation Act, the urge for local government to create separate Maori wards; the central government giving itself rights to appoint councillors to Environment Canterbury and giving Ngai Tahu the right to appoint three councillors to that same authority.
Democracy. Louisa Wall did not dispute there are differences but defended the morality of those differences. Today we learn that when the Overseas Investment Office granted [Russian billionaire Alexander] Abromov the right to buy his 215ha farm north of Whangarei in 2009, it was on the condition that he gave public access across that land to the beach. In March 2015 with the approval of the 0I0, that requirement was amended to give the access rights to Ngati Wai only. What happened to the Seabed and Fbreshore which gave free and public access to our beaches?
When our family sit around the table together with our grand-children — three of part-Dutch ancestry, one of part-Niuean ancestry and two of part-Maori ancestry — how can we justify the special rights and services just two have, over the other four? Is this the best way forward for this multi-cultural country to be a nation of integrity, equality, emancipation, unity. The media has a responsibility to support open discussion and to report without bias.
R L
Whangarei
Bay of Plenty Times 8/10/16
WHO'S TO BLAME?
I agree with .Jan Hill’s criticism of Tommy. Kapai’s column on the Hobson’s Pledge (Letters, October 6).
Kapai, in my opinion, plays the old tune of wealthy whites — most of whom have worked hard for their money. Some Maori tribes are among the richest people in New Zealand. Why do these wealthy Maori not share their riches with those who are alleged to be living in poverty? Why is it that 60 per cent of children in CYF care are Maori out of a population of 18 per cent? Why are our prisons bursting at the seams with Maori offenders?
Under the Treaty of Waitangi, we became one people (New Zealanders) under British law, Maori included. Why is it that, over 170 years later, there are people still trying to dig up what I believe to be old, unproven allegations?
Due to colonisation, we live in a wonderfull country. Look at the state of other nations and let's be thankful. It is up to Maori themselves to achieve (Abridged)
M B
Tauranga
Dominion Post 8/10/16 (To the Point section)
Rosemary McLeod (October 6) criticises Colin Craig for suggesting there is 'no need for Maori seats in Parliament'. Craig is not alone in this view as it was part of the recommendations of the Royal Commission on the Electoral System.
R H
Carterton
Sunlive / Weekend Sun 7/10/16
SHARE THE ‘NATION’S CAKE’ EVENLY
Tariana Turia, has excelled herself in the rabid rhetoric and looney logic she employs in her latest ‘NZ Herald' article. It appears the multitude of problems besetting Maori are the result of governmental, departmental and institutional racism.
The fact that twice as many Maori children, under five years old, are referred to CYF she implies is the fault of the department and not an indication of poor parenting.
The fact that health centre research shows Maori suffer poorer health in the areas of obstetrics, heart, renal and mental health she claims are the result of institutional racism with no consideration of self-indulgent lifestyles that may result in these conditions. Which department is responsible for Maori committing crimes?
Her referral to practices in Great Britain have little relevance to New Zealand conditions. We do not have the large number and diversity of immigrants, a reason for the success of Brexit.
What other country would require trainee nurses to study the protocols and absorb the customs of a single ethnic group exclusively as was a requirement in NZ, where many trainees nurses also had to spend a night sleeping on a marae? Were not hospital visiting regulations relaxed to suit Maori cultural.
Ms Turia, you would be better employed in encouraging the controllers of the $40 billion Treaty Settlement ‘nest-egg' to spend some of it in solving Maori problems.
None of the self-styled tangata whenua is more than 50 per cent Maori. We are all a mixture of ethnicities and so should regard ourselves as New Zealanders, share the ‘nation's cake' evenly and dispense with egregious claims.
B J
Omokoroa.
UNPROVEN FACTS
On ‘The Nation' on TV3 on October 2 Larissa Wall made a comment that Maori are indigenous to NZ. This cannot be proven with facts. DNA testing, carbon dating, and archaeological evidence prove three or four cultures were here prior to Polynesian Maori arrival 700 years ago.
What happened to the Patupaiairehei (ancient surveyors)? Who drove Ngati Hotu, the redheaded, blue-eyed people to the brink of extinction? These peoples' DNA goes back 1800 years out of Persia.
Who annihilated the Turehu peoples and then there is the innocent Waitaha and the peaceable Moriori? They all pre-dated Maori arrival in NZ. Maui arrived from Egypt in 231BC.
Why does a so-called ‘free' country have 110 archaeological sites embargoed? Much evidence of NZ's blood thirsty history pre-European arrival is being systematically destroyed by persons who have an agenda to bury the truth and gain Maori sovereignty.
MJ A
Pyes Pa.