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The Northern Advocate 22/11/16
RACIAL DIVIDE
It appears that a growing tide of resentment is showing regarding part-Maori favouritism. Certain political moves, both national and local, are seeing a backlash, albeit at this time a ripple.
M Morgan, K Marks and others are a tad fed up with the hypocrisy surrounding the majority of our citizens.
M Kaire writes a darned good letter, but I am afraid this writer deliberately paints a gloomy picture of part-Maori.
Would she not recognise the achievements of many working part-Maori, who have homes that they have worked for? Will she acknowledge that many make sure their children are educated, also that their kids are fed and clothed?
I suggest, while some folk keep bleating, 'poor me' and keep on receiving hand outs, it perpetuates the reasoning (if I keep it up, I can get something for nothing).
Adding to the above, we have a clear demonstration of apartheid. Why should part-Maori, non-elected persons, have seats on councils? Why do we have part-Maori sports teams? Goodness me, I shudder to think what the outcome would be if we had teams based on race, ie, no Maori allowed. Maybe one should own up to the fact that a number of part-Maori institutions/trusts have gone belly-up. Why?
The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, as quoted by Ms Kaire, cuts both ways. It applies to everyone. No matter what the PC crowd think, many ordinary people object to the "Maorisation" of our country.
B J C
Whangarei
Northland Age 22/11/16 (Also in Wanganui Chronicle 22/11/16)
MAORI LANGUAGE
Maori Development Minister Te Ururoa Flavell announced, "We must normalise te reo Maori" so that New Zealanders can " ... start their te reo Maori journey".
Perhaps the minister is un-aware that not only have non-Maori started their journey but are major contributors to what is now called the Maori language.
When the early colonists arrived the Maori vocabulary consisted of approximately 40,000 words. It is now probably more than 450,00 words, with the additional 110,000 being variations of the English language, dropping consonants for which Maori had no equivalent and adding vowels at the end.
For example let us consider the very English name John Hadfield. No letter J in the Maori alphabet, so substitute H. Since all Maori words end in a vowel let's add an 'e'. Result —John equals Hone. Now for Hadfield. 'Ha' is OK but no 'd', so replace with 'ra'; no T so use 'w' the letters lie' become i, and as there is no 'I' or 'd replace with 'ra' so it ends in a vowel. So now what do we have? Surprise, surprise — Hone Harawira, whose given name at birth was John Hadfield.
The same applies to many "Maori" names and variations on words borrowed from the English language. A few years ago two (no doubt well-paid) Maori scholars proudly announced they had invented 10,000 new Maori words in the preceding year, those words all being "converted" from the English language. So far from preserving the original Maori tongue, we are being fed a conglomeration of two languages rolled into one. Perhaps part-Maori children attending total immersion schools would better understand the origins of te reo if they learnt the English language first.
MITCH MORGAN
Kaipara
DON'T MEDDLE
Re Anna Herbert-Graves'Value of Tikanga". We had better look at it again. After describing eye-witness accounts of the preparation of the flesh of their victims for cooking by the Maori invaders of the Chatham Islands, Michael King in Moriori, p.66, continues: "For Maori participants in this drama, what took place was simply tikanga, the traditional method of supporting new land claims.. .. nothing more or less than what had occurred on battlefields throughout the North Island in the two decades of tribal musket warfare."
So there we have it, note, a mere five years before the signing of the Treaty! Maybe this ought to be the "Land Wars" commemoration which some tribes and a compliant Government are intent on foisting upon us Ms Herbert-Graves proceeds with "If Te Tiriti is about a relationship between the Crown and us, then a constitution has to work out the tikanga". Well, if by "us" she means her part-Maori accomplices, then that relationship was established in 1840 with all Maori becoming British subjects and the constitution has worked well since with no need whatever for any tikanga.
She continues with "If the constitution guarantees rangatiratanga and is based on the treaty relationship that's the main value you need for us". There is no need for her "If'. She has only to read Article second of the Treaty to discover that and she had better accept that in 1840 "rangatiratanga" meant simply the right of possession of property, fundamental in English common law which applied with the transfer of sovereignty but non-existent in "tikanga".
As Hongi Hika had pointed out not long before "taonga" meant no more than property acquired by the spear. So, yes, we have a constitution which works well and we should be fools to let Ms Herbert-Graves and her like meddle with it.
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
NZ Herald 22/11/16
SCHOOL FUNDING
The Ministry of Education plans to base school funding on a database that records ethnicity.
The official data quoted in your article lists 19 risk factors of which three are purely racial. These three risk factors must be ignored. There are things more important than achieving NCEA level 2.
Preference based on race or ethnicity must be avoided. The alternative would be the same mindset that in the past created racial quotas stopping qualified Jews studying at American and at Russian universities.
In 1972, NZ ratified the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination so any special funding based on race is illegal. Another reason is the unreliability of ethnic data; the other 16 risk factors are clear so a child either has or has not a CYF notification.
B A
Birkdale.
RACIAL DIVIDE
It appears that a growing tide of resentment is showing regarding part-Maori favouritism. Certain political moves, both national and local, are seeing a backlash, albeit at this time a ripple.
M Morgan, K Marks and others are a tad fed up with the hypocrisy surrounding the majority of our citizens.
M Kaire writes a darned good letter, but I am afraid this writer deliberately paints a gloomy picture of part-Maori.
Would she not recognise the achievements of many working part-Maori, who have homes that they have worked for? Will she acknowledge that many make sure their children are educated, also that their kids are fed and clothed?
I suggest, while some folk keep bleating, 'poor me' and keep on receiving hand outs, it perpetuates the reasoning (if I keep it up, I can get something for nothing).
Adding to the above, we have a clear demonstration of apartheid. Why should part-Maori, non-elected persons, have seats on councils? Why do we have part-Maori sports teams? Goodness me, I shudder to think what the outcome would be if we had teams based on race, ie, no Maori allowed. Maybe one should own up to the fact that a number of part-Maori institutions/trusts have gone belly-up. Why?
The Universal Declaration Of Human Rights, as quoted by Ms Kaire, cuts both ways. It applies to everyone. No matter what the PC crowd think, many ordinary people object to the "Maorisation" of our country.
B J C
Whangarei
Northland Age 22/11/16 (Also in Wanganui Chronicle 22/11/16)
MAORI LANGUAGE
Maori Development Minister Te Ururoa Flavell announced, "We must normalise te reo Maori" so that New Zealanders can " ... start their te reo Maori journey".
Perhaps the minister is un-aware that not only have non-Maori started their journey but are major contributors to what is now called the Maori language.
When the early colonists arrived the Maori vocabulary consisted of approximately 40,000 words. It is now probably more than 450,00 words, with the additional 110,000 being variations of the English language, dropping consonants for which Maori had no equivalent and adding vowels at the end.
For example let us consider the very English name John Hadfield. No letter J in the Maori alphabet, so substitute H. Since all Maori words end in a vowel let's add an 'e'. Result —John equals Hone. Now for Hadfield. 'Ha' is OK but no 'd', so replace with 'ra'; no T so use 'w' the letters lie' become i, and as there is no 'I' or 'd replace with 'ra' so it ends in a vowel. So now what do we have? Surprise, surprise — Hone Harawira, whose given name at birth was John Hadfield.
The same applies to many "Maori" names and variations on words borrowed from the English language. A few years ago two (no doubt well-paid) Maori scholars proudly announced they had invented 10,000 new Maori words in the preceding year, those words all being "converted" from the English language. So far from preserving the original Maori tongue, we are being fed a conglomeration of two languages rolled into one. Perhaps part-Maori children attending total immersion schools would better understand the origins of te reo if they learnt the English language first.
MITCH MORGAN
Kaipara
DON'T MEDDLE
Re Anna Herbert-Graves'Value of Tikanga". We had better look at it again. After describing eye-witness accounts of the preparation of the flesh of their victims for cooking by the Maori invaders of the Chatham Islands, Michael King in Moriori, p.66, continues: "For Maori participants in this drama, what took place was simply tikanga, the traditional method of supporting new land claims.. .. nothing more or less than what had occurred on battlefields throughout the North Island in the two decades of tribal musket warfare."
So there we have it, note, a mere five years before the signing of the Treaty! Maybe this ought to be the "Land Wars" commemoration which some tribes and a compliant Government are intent on foisting upon us Ms Herbert-Graves proceeds with "If Te Tiriti is about a relationship between the Crown and us, then a constitution has to work out the tikanga". Well, if by "us" she means her part-Maori accomplices, then that relationship was established in 1840 with all Maori becoming British subjects and the constitution has worked well since with no need whatever for any tikanga.
She continues with "If the constitution guarantees rangatiratanga and is based on the treaty relationship that's the main value you need for us". There is no need for her "If'. She has only to read Article second of the Treaty to discover that and she had better accept that in 1840 "rangatiratanga" meant simply the right of possession of property, fundamental in English common law which applied with the transfer of sovereignty but non-existent in "tikanga".
As Hongi Hika had pointed out not long before "taonga" meant no more than property acquired by the spear. So, yes, we have a constitution which works well and we should be fools to let Ms Herbert-Graves and her like meddle with it.
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
NZ Herald 22/11/16
SCHOOL FUNDING
The Ministry of Education plans to base school funding on a database that records ethnicity.
The official data quoted in your article lists 19 risk factors of which three are purely racial. These three risk factors must be ignored. There are things more important than achieving NCEA level 2.
Preference based on race or ethnicity must be avoided. The alternative would be the same mindset that in the past created racial quotas stopping qualified Jews studying at American and at Russian universities.
In 1972, NZ ratified the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination so any special funding based on race is illegal. Another reason is the unreliability of ethnic data; the other 16 risk factors are clear so a child either has or has not a CYF notification.
B A
Birkdale.