Post by Kiwi Frontline on Jan 19, 2017 5:41:12 GMT 12
Northland Age 19/1/17
LONG ON MYTH
Privileged drama queen Lizzie Marvelly started off her 'columnist' career with NZME in early 2016 by displaying her ignorance on the fresh water issues (the Maori think tank version). The legal position with fresh water is crystal clear — no one owns the water, and the government administers freshwater as a fiduciary for all kiwis, no customary rights exist, the native title 'red herring' is ludicrous, and as with many other maori claims, simply looks like race-based separatist spin.
To laud part-Maori as guardians, environmentalists and conservationists, or suggest they know more about fresh water than other Kiwis, is a joke.
Furthermore, Maori were never Treaty partners, there are no Treaty principles other than what was spelt out in to Tiriti o Waitangi, and no other Treaty obligations exist.
Ms Marvelly's comments were in my opinion so skewed and flawed it was pointless even trying to address them rationally. She and her researchers need to read the 12-point fresh water Iwi Leadership Group list, illustrating the intent and stealth associated with the fatuous demands being made.
Subsequently she moved on to the 'couch casting' harassment topic (either real or perceived) within the entertainment industry, about which she and others no doubt lodged complaints at the time the harassment (if any) occurred, finally capping 2016 off with a dissertation on the flawed Mr Judd and his inane push, in cahoots with the Maori Party, for effectively legislating non-elected and race-based local authority/council representation.
Now she starts the New Year (NZ Herald January 14) off with a thinly disguised parable cum fable cum allegory about colonial land 'grabbing,' alleged atrocities and grievances, along with perceived breaches of 'the agreement' presumably referring to Tiriti o Waitangi, in tandem with the modern Waitangi Day shambles.
Lizzie needs to upgrade her brains trust think tank, because it's all playing out like a broken record. In my opinion these dissertations are rants, sparse on fact, short on reality and long on myth.
In fairness to the reading public, sections of the media need to air the valid factual criticisms of the various diatribes to see how the phobias stand up to robust scrutiny, because in my view she is not fulfilling the role as a responsible columnist or commentator with her outbursts. Oh, and 85 per cent of us, being the irrelevant majority of Kiwis, are not cringing, nor do we have any reason to do so.
ROB PATERSON
Matapihi
.
A CIRCUS
Waitangi has been a circus, a day of ugliness and division. Why the PM should go there to be insulted beggars belief.
With the PM now refusing to be demeaned and the office of the PM disrespected the marae elders' use of words like "cop-out" (Pita Paraone) and "Don't be a child" (Kingi Taurua) is not the way to encourage attendance.
Ritual humiliation of guests at Waitangi is hardly likely to engender sympathy or a desire to right perceived wrongs. We have seen a wet shirt thrown at the Queen, Governor-General Dame Cath Tizard spat on, Helen Clark brought to tears, mud and dildo throwing, verbal and physical assaults, and bully boy tactics.
The worst part of the ritual humiliation is reserved for the Prime Minister, who is forced to walk arm-in-aim with Titewhai Harawira, who was jailed for violently assaulting a mental health patient.
Bill English's decision is the right one, and will be supported by the vast majority of New Zealanders. Cringe-worthy, it's downright head-under the pillow embarrassing.
RICHARD PRINCE
Tauranga
.
POOR OLD BILL
Spare a thought for poor Bill English. All that appeasing, kowtowing and serial apologising over all those years, compromising the principles of equal citizenship to hang on to the trappings of the Beehive and they won't even let him have a word or two at Waitangi. And election year too. Oh the unfairness of it all.
G FAULKNER
Tauranga
.
FOR THE BEST
The decision of Bill English to avoid the hassles of Waitangi Day is the best direction for our country.
Hopefully, without his presence there will be less media, who of course focus on the shenanigans of the few who protest every year without fail.
I am quite a news junkie, but deliberately do not watch the news on February 6 because it is always the same old violence and ugliness on display from the same ungrateful people who will never be satisfied no matter what is thrown their way.
This could be a catalyst for change, as I am sure that the news has come as a shock to the organising committee.
The National Party will be represented by deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett, who has suddenly and obligingly re-discovered her Maori heritage.
The lack of media will starve those protesters of oxygen, and perhaps the news could then focus on what may, for all I know, be quite a pleasant day out for many on the Treaty Grounds. It may even then become a national day for all of us instead of the current Maori Protest Day.
ROBIN BISHOP
Tauranga
.
ANOTHER ONE
'Land claims mandate looming large' Here we go again, another false land claim made through a false Treaty document that has been put in place to make the claims from.
The true Treaty document was put together to bring law and order to this country.
How can a group of people who were picked up from different places, at different times, and landed at different areas, who in the 1800s were given the name Maori, who were never a race of people, are able to make claims that they were here first while the descendants of the original occupiers can't make land claims on their land that was taken off them by Tuwharetoa and the Crown?
Ngati Hotu/Patupairehe lived in the Ruapehu/Taumarunui areas long before the people called Maori arrived near the battle of the five forts.
The Waitaha people also had land taken off them as well.
The Maori started to slaughter these pre-Maori people. A lot of them escaped to safe areas. This is where Pakeha Ken Mair and his people are claiming the land for themselves, and they will be getting a payout for it.
The Patupaiarehe are trying to claim their land back through the Waitangi Tribunal, which has been rejected as they are not Maori. Maori are the only ones that can claim land. This was put in place by the Labour government in the 1980s, and is still been carried on to this day by our gutless leaders and supporters, who are not interested in the truth.
IAN BROUGHAM
Wanganui
.
Wanganui Chronicle 19/1/17
FLAWED HISTORIES
H Norton (Chronicle, January 12) uses the false "argument from authority" to justify his wild claims. The statements of most of his so-called "renowned historians" are deeply flawed, particularly Orange, Binney, Kawharu, Belich and Keenan.
Robinson's books are not "self-published", as Norton says twice, but by Tross Publications of Khandallah, which has several excellent books to its credit.
Norton omits to say that Robinson has a doctoral degree from the renowned Massachusetts Institute of Technology and his careful mathematical modelling, using all the available data, shows conclusively that the decline in Maori numbers in the early colonial period was due to the huge slaughter of breeding stock in inter-tribal warfare in pre-1840 decades — work beyond the competence of any historian I know.
I have two master's degrees, one with distinction from the University of London in computer science, and I am a past president of the Institute of IT Professionals (NZ) and Fellow of the Institute of Physics (UK). I hold a Naval Reserve commission, having done much practice and instruction in navigation, both coastal and celestial.
In the work of both Robinson and myself, close attention to accuracy and the available information have been of critical importance. In our later years we have brought these skills to the study of New Zealand's history, where indeed we have been quite dismayed by the amount of false material in works by such as those listed above and likewise in the flawed conclusions of the Waitangi Tribunal and others in the press, such as Tommy Wilson and Eraka in The Latest Tainui News. Your readers will make up their own minds about who to believe.
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
.
Waikato Times 19/1/17
WAITANGI ‘SNUB’
Now that the northern chiefs, the first signatories of the Treaty of Waitangi, have insulted the Government and therefore the people of New Zealand by preventing the Prime Minister from speaking on the marae, it is time to review the Treaty, for the document to be authenticated and the obligations and commitments verified.
I am sure that in pre-colonial times, tikanga would not have prevented dignitaries of other iwi, apart from women, speaking on the marae.
But perhaps it is a case of "biter bit" for National, as many of their consultations with Maori on matters concerning all New Zealanders have been carried out in private with notifications only made when decisions are virtually confirmed and the general public having no say.
BRYAN JOHNSON
Omokoroa
.
The Press 19/1/17
WHAT TO DO AT WAITANGI
Despite letters to the contrary, I think it is more important to listen at Waitangi than to speak. Andrew Little has got it right. It is more important to be there and listening than to stay away because the marae – for whatever reason – says you can’t.
Waitangi is a place of protest. Politicians would be wise to listen.
TOM BROCKETT
Redwood
.
The Northern Advocate 19/1/17
PLAIN COWARDLY
Shame on you Susan Devoy. Did you think you were being politically correct? I think just plain cowardly. The inflammatory, racist remarks were “I’m tangata whenua and I’ll do as I like”.
Of course, a few tears and the media goes weak at the knees, and that young woman got the publicity she was seeking.
She needed to be told that it doesn’t matter where you were born, if you are going to live in this country, you have to obey the laws of this country. It’s that simple.
B G SCOTT
Hikurangi
.
The New Zealand Herald 19/1/17
GANG CLASH
Why do we allow gangs to exist? This week again, repugnant behaviour — gangs shooting in the streets of Whakatane at a funeral. I just can’t fathom the political will that has allowed gangs to exist, even going as far as offering police protection on this occasion. Is it a misinterpreted Treaty of Waitangi obligation?
BILL BROWN,
Herne Bay
LONG ON MYTH
Privileged drama queen Lizzie Marvelly started off her 'columnist' career with NZME in early 2016 by displaying her ignorance on the fresh water issues (the Maori think tank version). The legal position with fresh water is crystal clear — no one owns the water, and the government administers freshwater as a fiduciary for all kiwis, no customary rights exist, the native title 'red herring' is ludicrous, and as with many other maori claims, simply looks like race-based separatist spin.
To laud part-Maori as guardians, environmentalists and conservationists, or suggest they know more about fresh water than other Kiwis, is a joke.
Furthermore, Maori were never Treaty partners, there are no Treaty principles other than what was spelt out in to Tiriti o Waitangi, and no other Treaty obligations exist.
Ms Marvelly's comments were in my opinion so skewed and flawed it was pointless even trying to address them rationally. She and her researchers need to read the 12-point fresh water Iwi Leadership Group list, illustrating the intent and stealth associated with the fatuous demands being made.
Subsequently she moved on to the 'couch casting' harassment topic (either real or perceived) within the entertainment industry, about which she and others no doubt lodged complaints at the time the harassment (if any) occurred, finally capping 2016 off with a dissertation on the flawed Mr Judd and his inane push, in cahoots with the Maori Party, for effectively legislating non-elected and race-based local authority/council representation.
Now she starts the New Year (NZ Herald January 14) off with a thinly disguised parable cum fable cum allegory about colonial land 'grabbing,' alleged atrocities and grievances, along with perceived breaches of 'the agreement' presumably referring to Tiriti o Waitangi, in tandem with the modern Waitangi Day shambles.
Lizzie needs to upgrade her brains trust think tank, because it's all playing out like a broken record. In my opinion these dissertations are rants, sparse on fact, short on reality and long on myth.
In fairness to the reading public, sections of the media need to air the valid factual criticisms of the various diatribes to see how the phobias stand up to robust scrutiny, because in my view she is not fulfilling the role as a responsible columnist or commentator with her outbursts. Oh, and 85 per cent of us, being the irrelevant majority of Kiwis, are not cringing, nor do we have any reason to do so.
ROB PATERSON
Matapihi
.
A CIRCUS
Waitangi has been a circus, a day of ugliness and division. Why the PM should go there to be insulted beggars belief.
With the PM now refusing to be demeaned and the office of the PM disrespected the marae elders' use of words like "cop-out" (Pita Paraone) and "Don't be a child" (Kingi Taurua) is not the way to encourage attendance.
Ritual humiliation of guests at Waitangi is hardly likely to engender sympathy or a desire to right perceived wrongs. We have seen a wet shirt thrown at the Queen, Governor-General Dame Cath Tizard spat on, Helen Clark brought to tears, mud and dildo throwing, verbal and physical assaults, and bully boy tactics.
The worst part of the ritual humiliation is reserved for the Prime Minister, who is forced to walk arm-in-aim with Titewhai Harawira, who was jailed for violently assaulting a mental health patient.
Bill English's decision is the right one, and will be supported by the vast majority of New Zealanders. Cringe-worthy, it's downright head-under the pillow embarrassing.
RICHARD PRINCE
Tauranga
.
POOR OLD BILL
Spare a thought for poor Bill English. All that appeasing, kowtowing and serial apologising over all those years, compromising the principles of equal citizenship to hang on to the trappings of the Beehive and they won't even let him have a word or two at Waitangi. And election year too. Oh the unfairness of it all.
G FAULKNER
Tauranga
.
FOR THE BEST
The decision of Bill English to avoid the hassles of Waitangi Day is the best direction for our country.
Hopefully, without his presence there will be less media, who of course focus on the shenanigans of the few who protest every year without fail.
I am quite a news junkie, but deliberately do not watch the news on February 6 because it is always the same old violence and ugliness on display from the same ungrateful people who will never be satisfied no matter what is thrown their way.
This could be a catalyst for change, as I am sure that the news has come as a shock to the organising committee.
The National Party will be represented by deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett, who has suddenly and obligingly re-discovered her Maori heritage.
The lack of media will starve those protesters of oxygen, and perhaps the news could then focus on what may, for all I know, be quite a pleasant day out for many on the Treaty Grounds. It may even then become a national day for all of us instead of the current Maori Protest Day.
ROBIN BISHOP
Tauranga
.
ANOTHER ONE
'Land claims mandate looming large' Here we go again, another false land claim made through a false Treaty document that has been put in place to make the claims from.
The true Treaty document was put together to bring law and order to this country.
How can a group of people who were picked up from different places, at different times, and landed at different areas, who in the 1800s were given the name Maori, who were never a race of people, are able to make claims that they were here first while the descendants of the original occupiers can't make land claims on their land that was taken off them by Tuwharetoa and the Crown?
Ngati Hotu/Patupairehe lived in the Ruapehu/Taumarunui areas long before the people called Maori arrived near the battle of the five forts.
The Waitaha people also had land taken off them as well.
The Maori started to slaughter these pre-Maori people. A lot of them escaped to safe areas. This is where Pakeha Ken Mair and his people are claiming the land for themselves, and they will be getting a payout for it.
The Patupaiarehe are trying to claim their land back through the Waitangi Tribunal, which has been rejected as they are not Maori. Maori are the only ones that can claim land. This was put in place by the Labour government in the 1980s, and is still been carried on to this day by our gutless leaders and supporters, who are not interested in the truth.
IAN BROUGHAM
Wanganui
.
Wanganui Chronicle 19/1/17
FLAWED HISTORIES
H Norton (Chronicle, January 12) uses the false "argument from authority" to justify his wild claims. The statements of most of his so-called "renowned historians" are deeply flawed, particularly Orange, Binney, Kawharu, Belich and Keenan.
Robinson's books are not "self-published", as Norton says twice, but by Tross Publications of Khandallah, which has several excellent books to its credit.
Norton omits to say that Robinson has a doctoral degree from the renowned Massachusetts Institute of Technology and his careful mathematical modelling, using all the available data, shows conclusively that the decline in Maori numbers in the early colonial period was due to the huge slaughter of breeding stock in inter-tribal warfare in pre-1840 decades — work beyond the competence of any historian I know.
I have two master's degrees, one with distinction from the University of London in computer science, and I am a past president of the Institute of IT Professionals (NZ) and Fellow of the Institute of Physics (UK). I hold a Naval Reserve commission, having done much practice and instruction in navigation, both coastal and celestial.
In the work of both Robinson and myself, close attention to accuracy and the available information have been of critical importance. In our later years we have brought these skills to the study of New Zealand's history, where indeed we have been quite dismayed by the amount of false material in works by such as those listed above and likewise in the flawed conclusions of the Waitangi Tribunal and others in the press, such as Tommy Wilson and Eraka in The Latest Tainui News. Your readers will make up their own minds about who to believe.
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
.
Waikato Times 19/1/17
WAITANGI ‘SNUB’
Now that the northern chiefs, the first signatories of the Treaty of Waitangi, have insulted the Government and therefore the people of New Zealand by preventing the Prime Minister from speaking on the marae, it is time to review the Treaty, for the document to be authenticated and the obligations and commitments verified.
I am sure that in pre-colonial times, tikanga would not have prevented dignitaries of other iwi, apart from women, speaking on the marae.
But perhaps it is a case of "biter bit" for National, as many of their consultations with Maori on matters concerning all New Zealanders have been carried out in private with notifications only made when decisions are virtually confirmed and the general public having no say.
BRYAN JOHNSON
Omokoroa
.
The Press 19/1/17
WHAT TO DO AT WAITANGI
Despite letters to the contrary, I think it is more important to listen at Waitangi than to speak. Andrew Little has got it right. It is more important to be there and listening than to stay away because the marae – for whatever reason – says you can’t.
Waitangi is a place of protest. Politicians would be wise to listen.
TOM BROCKETT
Redwood
.
The Northern Advocate 19/1/17
PLAIN COWARDLY
Shame on you Susan Devoy. Did you think you were being politically correct? I think just plain cowardly. The inflammatory, racist remarks were “I’m tangata whenua and I’ll do as I like”.
Of course, a few tears and the media goes weak at the knees, and that young woman got the publicity she was seeking.
She needed to be told that it doesn’t matter where you were born, if you are going to live in this country, you have to obey the laws of this country. It’s that simple.
B G SCOTT
Hikurangi
.
The New Zealand Herald 19/1/17
GANG CLASH
Why do we allow gangs to exist? This week again, repugnant behaviour — gangs shooting in the streets of Whakatane at a funeral. I just can’t fathom the political will that has allowed gangs to exist, even going as far as offering police protection on this occasion. Is it a misinterpreted Treaty of Waitangi obligation?
BILL BROWN,
Herne Bay