Post by Kiwi Frontline on Jan 30, 2020 12:23:02 GMT 12
Northland Age 30/1/20
ALICE IN WONDERLAND
The background to probably 80 per cent of the public’s gripe is that Kiwis are sick and tired of reading creative treatyist accounts and versions on the Treaty by so-called self-anointed modern-day revisionist historians and pseudo experts expounding tenuous theories, masquerading as proven facts, thereby challenging proven historical facts and inevitably the truth.
Rarely (if ever) can oral word of mouth pass-me-down accounts supplant eye witness accounts and authenticated documentary evidence, as it is notoriously unreliable, misleading, and often deceptively based. The Alice in Wonderland mentality and absurd accounts of events and the interpretation of words to give them their Humpty Dumpty and Madhatter meanings (words will mean what I want them to mean) defies rational belief, common sense, and fails proper scrutiny. It is all usually driven by self-serving agendas, selfinterest and the belief in unjust entitlements.
While the charlatans that promote the deceptions are duplicitous and reprehensible, the fawning toadies and village idiots that pay homage to it as the gospel are even more culpable. The sycophants usually have PC undisclosed race-based agendas, permitting the perpetrators to get away with their deceit. The ‘powers that be’ then promote legislation to give the deceptions statutory credence and legal fiction status, overlooking that if something is false, passing laws will not validate it.
This hypocrisy is a real and imminent danger to the wellbeing of all fair-minded Kiwis, who have no say in their fate, by way of binding referenda, for example. The legislators (elected) claim they have a mandate from the New Zealand electorate — they do not! — while the judiciary, fronted by activist judges, is more insidious because judges are not elected and are accountable to no one.
Lost in translation: Tiriti o Waitangi (Maori language version), in unequivocal, plain and simple language, is the only legitimate Treaty (500 words) with a preamble and 3 articles (benign agreement all Kiwis could accept ) prepared from Hobson/Busby’s final hubrEnglish draft (aka Littlewood Draft) that cross-translates perfectly with Te Tiriti, while the bogus Freeman version doesn’t. There’s no English Treaty with Hobson clearly stating that the Treaty signed at Waitangi on February 6, 1840, was the only Treaty.
Once signed the Treaty almost immediately became redundant, as sovereignty was ceded by all chiefs who signed, British citizenship was granted, and sale of Maori land rules were put in place, so all 3 Articles were satisfied. Absolutely no reference to any treaty principles, partnerships, nor fisheries, forests, rivers etc. in Te Tiriti or the Littlewood Draft, promising only what was contained in the 3 Articles.
And in fact it wasn’t made between nations. It’s not a treaty, simply an agreement between the British Crown and a group of disparate, warring tribes represented by 52 chiefs at Waitangi, eventually gaining 542 signatures ceding sovereignty. In reality, sovereignty was acquired by Hobson’s Acts of State (May 1840) and Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter, November 16, 1840.
Yes, while the Treaty was very fair, it never dealt with fairness or the modern day rewritten revised and fabricated stuff made to satisfy blatant self-interest and unjustified fatuous entitlement claims being made in 2020.
“Real truth exists (via facts), only falsehoods and lies have to be invented” — Georges Braque.
The analogy with Orwell’s Animal Farm and 1984 novels is not lost in relation to the treachery.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
THERE WAS NO CROWN
Tiriti o Waitangi, Section 9 of the Education and Training Bill states, (1). For The main provisions of this Act that recognise and respect the Crown’s responsibility to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
But New Zealand did not have a Crown when the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, in fact, New Zealand was under the dependency of New South Wales.
The Treaty of Waitangi only asked tangata Maori to give up their kawanatanga/governments to Queen Victoria. In return Queen Victoria gave this primitive race of people heading for extinction, the greatest wish of all, “They would become British subjects with the same rights as the people of England”.
Once the majority of tangata Maori had signed to the Treaty of Waitangi, a Royal Charter/Letters Patent dated the 16 November 1840, issued by “Victoria by the Grace of God”, under “The Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”. This gave all the people of New Zealand one flag and one law, irrespective of race, colour or creed on the 3 May 1841. Our true Founding Document and first Constitution that should be celebrated on the 3 May every year.
Therefore, Section (9) of this Bill should read, “The main provisions of this Act that recognise and respect the Crown’s responsibility to give effect to Queen Victoria’s 1840 Royal Charter.
ROSS BAKER. Researcher, One New Zealand foundation Inc.
ALICE IN WONDERLAND
The background to probably 80 per cent of the public’s gripe is that Kiwis are sick and tired of reading creative treatyist accounts and versions on the Treaty by so-called self-anointed modern-day revisionist historians and pseudo experts expounding tenuous theories, masquerading as proven facts, thereby challenging proven historical facts and inevitably the truth.
Rarely (if ever) can oral word of mouth pass-me-down accounts supplant eye witness accounts and authenticated documentary evidence, as it is notoriously unreliable, misleading, and often deceptively based. The Alice in Wonderland mentality and absurd accounts of events and the interpretation of words to give them their Humpty Dumpty and Madhatter meanings (words will mean what I want them to mean) defies rational belief, common sense, and fails proper scrutiny. It is all usually driven by self-serving agendas, selfinterest and the belief in unjust entitlements.
While the charlatans that promote the deceptions are duplicitous and reprehensible, the fawning toadies and village idiots that pay homage to it as the gospel are even more culpable. The sycophants usually have PC undisclosed race-based agendas, permitting the perpetrators to get away with their deceit. The ‘powers that be’ then promote legislation to give the deceptions statutory credence and legal fiction status, overlooking that if something is false, passing laws will not validate it.
This hypocrisy is a real and imminent danger to the wellbeing of all fair-minded Kiwis, who have no say in their fate, by way of binding referenda, for example. The legislators (elected) claim they have a mandate from the New Zealand electorate — they do not! — while the judiciary, fronted by activist judges, is more insidious because judges are not elected and are accountable to no one.
Lost in translation: Tiriti o Waitangi (Maori language version), in unequivocal, plain and simple language, is the only legitimate Treaty (500 words) with a preamble and 3 articles (benign agreement all Kiwis could accept ) prepared from Hobson/Busby’s final hubrEnglish draft (aka Littlewood Draft) that cross-translates perfectly with Te Tiriti, while the bogus Freeman version doesn’t. There’s no English Treaty with Hobson clearly stating that the Treaty signed at Waitangi on February 6, 1840, was the only Treaty.
Once signed the Treaty almost immediately became redundant, as sovereignty was ceded by all chiefs who signed, British citizenship was granted, and sale of Maori land rules were put in place, so all 3 Articles were satisfied. Absolutely no reference to any treaty principles, partnerships, nor fisheries, forests, rivers etc. in Te Tiriti or the Littlewood Draft, promising only what was contained in the 3 Articles.
And in fact it wasn’t made between nations. It’s not a treaty, simply an agreement between the British Crown and a group of disparate, warring tribes represented by 52 chiefs at Waitangi, eventually gaining 542 signatures ceding sovereignty. In reality, sovereignty was acquired by Hobson’s Acts of State (May 1840) and Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter, November 16, 1840.
Yes, while the Treaty was very fair, it never dealt with fairness or the modern day rewritten revised and fabricated stuff made to satisfy blatant self-interest and unjustified fatuous entitlement claims being made in 2020.
“Real truth exists (via facts), only falsehoods and lies have to be invented” — Georges Braque.
The analogy with Orwell’s Animal Farm and 1984 novels is not lost in relation to the treachery.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
THERE WAS NO CROWN
Tiriti o Waitangi, Section 9 of the Education and Training Bill states, (1). For The main provisions of this Act that recognise and respect the Crown’s responsibility to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
But New Zealand did not have a Crown when the Treaty of Waitangi was signed, in fact, New Zealand was under the dependency of New South Wales.
The Treaty of Waitangi only asked tangata Maori to give up their kawanatanga/governments to Queen Victoria. In return Queen Victoria gave this primitive race of people heading for extinction, the greatest wish of all, “They would become British subjects with the same rights as the people of England”.
Once the majority of tangata Maori had signed to the Treaty of Waitangi, a Royal Charter/Letters Patent dated the 16 November 1840, issued by “Victoria by the Grace of God”, under “The Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”. This gave all the people of New Zealand one flag and one law, irrespective of race, colour or creed on the 3 May 1841. Our true Founding Document and first Constitution that should be celebrated on the 3 May every year.
Therefore, Section (9) of this Bill should read, “The main provisions of this Act that recognise and respect the Crown’s responsibility to give effect to Queen Victoria’s 1840 Royal Charter.
ROSS BAKER. Researcher, One New Zealand foundation Inc.