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Southland Times 10/2/16
WAITANGI DAY
Well done, John Key. Just when I thought you were going to be diplomatic and buckle to pressure you came out of your corner swinging.
For way too many years decent Kiwis have cringed in front of their TV sets as lawless lowlifes have seized the limelight of Waitangi celebrations to try and project themselves as the saviour for the downtrodden underdog.
These people are just out-and out thugs.
Respect is and should be a two way street. Just as the Government has given respect to tribal protocol the tribe – all the tribe – should respect the Government representative who attends the ceremony.
Lets forget Waitangi and call it New Zealand Day and celebrate it with a three-day mardi gras in Auckland or Wellington and totally ignore any connection to the treaty ever existing. Food for thought?
R W
Balfour
MORE WAITANGI DAY
I get fed up with the annual upheaval by a northern tribe who use the Waitangi Day celebration to show their contempt for those MPs present.
I’m pleased that John Key didn’t go. Labour were left in the pouring rain for an hour, while the greeting was extended to the Green Party.
Why would the Crown go to Waitangi to be abused on a day of celebration of the birth of our nationhood?
And to listen to Maori protesters claiming that Maori have lost their sovereignty. The truth is that Maori ceded (gave away) their sovereignty in favour of gaining British citizen rights when signing the Maori copy of the Treaty.
It is long overdue that we rotated our annual celebration around the tribes, moving location each year.
N C
Invercargill
Hawkes Bay Today 10/2/16
NUMBERS BURDEN
I have no affiliation with any school in Havelock North. This issue is not about race. I have taught in a primary school with a very successful Maori immersion kura operating as an entity within it.
This issue for me is one of fairness. I would suggest that the most effective way to put the message of crowding in the Havelock schools to Hekia Parata would be to set her out on playground duty at Te Mata school.
Whilst the “bums on seats” statistics may match her “selective” policy, most certainly, despite magnificent efforts by the staff and board of trustees to make play in every respect a good experience for the pupils, there is no doubt the physical reality of 620 plus children out in a restricted amount of ground, would challenge the minister.
I believe she has sold out the many young families in the Brookvale area. She is disingenuous when she suggests any child can enrol in the new school. Yes, they can, as long as they wish to learn exclusively in Maori.
There is a great deal of pro Havelock kura comment from Horiana Robin. Why would she not be encouraging this proposed “cradle to grave” establishment within her own very handy domain at Mangateretere? There are adequate grounds, local marae, a fast approach by bus from Hastings, much basic infrastructure in place, many unused classrooms, and a philosophy of Maori language implementation.
Do the Maori immersion educational philosophies of the Hastings group not agree with the philosophies of the Mangateretere group?
Is there friction among the providers?
J G
Havelock North
Wanganui Chronicle 10/2/16
IN AN IVORY TOWER
On behalf of my fellow bigots, I ask the following question:
Why is it that when some people go to university, particularly those that study the nonproductive subjects such as political science or ancient history, for example, they get this holierthan-thou attitude towards the rest of the populace?
Steve Baron’s opinion piece ( January 21) was a typical demonstration of this sort of thinking where, if one doesn’t go to university, one’s thoughts and opinions are worthless. It would also appear that one is a bigot and has had no education whatsoever.
To quote Steve Baron: “They are usually the uninformed, close-minded, uneducated, and of an older generation”. I will put my hand up, sir. I am guilty of being old. What a bugger! But, as sure as hell I am not uninformed, close-minded or uneducated.
Mr Baron makes the point that Maori may indeed have more pakeha blood in their veins due to intermarriage, but if a person relates to their Maori heritage in preference, that is their right — no different to a New Zealander choosing to relate to an Irish heritage.
Well, there is a difference; it’s called the dollar!
Where else in the world can I claim an advantage because of my race, colour, or creed?
The only other places around the world where this occurs are usually war zones.
Like my fellow citizens and workers who did not go to university, we learned and contributed to society in a practical way and did not spend our valuable time pontificating about possible fairy tales in Disneyland.
I have to agree with everything that D Partner wrote in the January 30
Very well put, I thought — but then, obviously, I am a bigot.
A B
Aramoho
Bay of Plenty Times 10/2/16
MODERN TREATY IS A MOCKERY
Another Waitangi day celebrating, not the original Te Tiriti o Waitangi signed by 545 Rangitira but a reconstructed, racially biased document created by legal argument.
This new document is a travesty perpetrated against the original signatories that has cleverly created a multi-million dollar business for unprincipled white liberalists, lawyers, radical Maori and institutionalised racism. The consequential results of the Lange government, Geoffrey Palmer, Robin Cooke at law, the Treaty of Waitangi Act and the Waitangi Tribunal have not benefited mainstream, hardworking Maori.
It is time for all citizens of New Zealand to wake up to the truth of our history.
M J A
Pyes Pa
BLIND TO TRUTH
At least Tommy Wilson has the honesty to admit he has not read the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) document and neither, I am sure, have the raucous crowds protesting against it.
One does not have to plough through the 6000 pages of the document for it is easy to search out important details that affect New Zealand.
Twelve key economies from Asia, the Pacific, and the Americas will form a new trading bloc that makes it easier for goods and services to be traded between these nations.
Without being part of the agreement, New Zealand exports would be blocked by huge tariffs to other countries costing jobs and hurting our economy.
There is not a single clause in the TPP that will impact the Crown‘s obligations to Maori. In fact, the TPP includes a special provision preserving the preeminence of the Treaty of Waitangi. So what are these crowds protesting about?
The saying goes: “Ignorance is bliss” but not in this case. (Abridged)
M B
Tauranga
The Daily Post Rotorua 10/2/16
VIEWS IGNORED
Jonathan Temm’s letter (February 6) exploited the supposed elasticity of the term ‘democracy’ to offer a sycophantic assessment of the process used to get the Te Arawa Partnership Plan approved. He avoided any reference to the principles of democracy and some awkward facts about the policy process.
Advocacy for the TAPP was provided by politicised officials who prevented any consideration of our democratic governance model at the ‘public consultations’. So we boycotted them and mobilised mass objections at the hearings. But we, and the wider majority we represented, were ignored, wilfully misrepresented and vilified. An ugly process.
Temm’s avoided mentioning the actual outcomes. The TAPP gave disproportionate and unelected power to one community of interest, on three policy-making committees of council. It reminds us that tribalism and co-governance promise special benefits to the members of one community of interest. Democratic processes seek to reconcile all communities of interest. There was no attempt at reconciliation.
Legal advice from the most authoritative source in New Zealand that the TAPP was illegal was dismissed using local advice that matched political preferences. Moral objections were ridiculed. The TAPP was rammed through on the numbers.
Temm’s partisan advice would mean accepting a moral and legal outrage, forever compromising the quality of our local government. We believe it wiser to use the ballot box to restore democracy, the rule of law, financial responsibility and policy making power to elected representatives.
DR REYNOLD MACPHERSON
Rotorua District Residents and Ratepayers
Northern Advocate 10/2/16
HOW MUCH?
Re "Six Institutions Investigated" and three more under scrutiny. All wananga involving $25.6 million, "35 tertiary providers have wide-spread or serious educational delivery issues". How many more millions is that going to be?
Te Whare Wananga 0 Awanuiarangi awarded NZ Warrior players and staff qualifications after doing one day of an 18-week course. Really? My first reaction is fury at the ease with which certain people without con-science can access public money, vast amounts. Secondly, just how or when can they, will they, pay it back? Thirdly the government is just too easy with spending other people's money irresponsibly.
How thoroughly do they check the ability of institutions which apply for these monies, to meet their commitments? Where are the contractual obligations enforced? Why aren't they shut down the moment they fail to meet deadlines for information and reporting?
This is a business oriented government but with taxpayers' money invested in PC selected educational institutions they flamboyantly disregard applying accountability on any sound business basis. Hekia Parata should resign now.
R L
Whangarei
Northland Age 9/2/16
BE A MAN
Who the hell does Selwyn Clarke think he is, that he's above the law of New Zealand? What an insult to many other war veterans, who abide by the laws set down by the New Zealand government. I agree with the stopping of Selwyn's war pension, or any other benefit for anybody who believe they are above our court justice system.
One would think that if there is a problem then the court is the place to have the matter heard and resolved. Going by your front page headlines, Mr Clarke 's veteran's pension has been stopped for the reason that he has breached his bail conditions, e.g that he did not face up to his responsibilities to appear in court on the required day, so now faces a warrant for arrest.
This person, aged 88 years, is acting like an eight-year old spoiled child, and I say shame on him for begging at the Kaitaia Market, and receiving hand-outs from Ngati Kahu, when others of all ages requiring a helping hand with health needs. I say shame on our elected Northland Member of Parliament, Winston Peters, and Te Runanga-a-Iwi Ngati Kahu chief executive Anahera Herbert-Graves, supporting this man Selwyn Clarke who defied the police to leave the scene, so was charged with trespass, then refused to appear in court as part of his bail conditions, and now wants the public or the taxpayers to support him for his illegal actions.
Come on Selwyn, be a man and face up to your responsibilities. You owe it to yourself, and are lucky to receive a war veteran's pension. I take it it was the Korean War you fought in by your age. Just remember thousands of New Zealanders who lost their lives in New Zealand's short history. Be thankful that you were one of the I ucky ones to return and live another day. By all means, Selwyn, protest within the laws of the country, but you and your buddies went too far by stopping health workers carrying out their duties to care for the sick, so you lost my support and respect, and I hope many others.
If you take the view that under the treaty you never acceded your sovereignty, therefore not coming under the jurisdiction of the Crown, then the Crown is under no obligation to pay you a war pension, superior or any other benefits, hospital treatment or anything else. The time is long overdue that the treaty of 1840 was put to rest and we all grow up, as we are now living in 2016. Injustice has been around for thousands of years, and will continue with the loss of millions of lives.
J B
Diggers' Valley
WAITANGI DAY
Well done, John Key. Just when I thought you were going to be diplomatic and buckle to pressure you came out of your corner swinging.
For way too many years decent Kiwis have cringed in front of their TV sets as lawless lowlifes have seized the limelight of Waitangi celebrations to try and project themselves as the saviour for the downtrodden underdog.
These people are just out-and out thugs.
Respect is and should be a two way street. Just as the Government has given respect to tribal protocol the tribe – all the tribe – should respect the Government representative who attends the ceremony.
Lets forget Waitangi and call it New Zealand Day and celebrate it with a three-day mardi gras in Auckland or Wellington and totally ignore any connection to the treaty ever existing. Food for thought?
R W
Balfour
MORE WAITANGI DAY
I get fed up with the annual upheaval by a northern tribe who use the Waitangi Day celebration to show their contempt for those MPs present.
I’m pleased that John Key didn’t go. Labour were left in the pouring rain for an hour, while the greeting was extended to the Green Party.
Why would the Crown go to Waitangi to be abused on a day of celebration of the birth of our nationhood?
And to listen to Maori protesters claiming that Maori have lost their sovereignty. The truth is that Maori ceded (gave away) their sovereignty in favour of gaining British citizen rights when signing the Maori copy of the Treaty.
It is long overdue that we rotated our annual celebration around the tribes, moving location each year.
N C
Invercargill
Hawkes Bay Today 10/2/16
NUMBERS BURDEN
I have no affiliation with any school in Havelock North. This issue is not about race. I have taught in a primary school with a very successful Maori immersion kura operating as an entity within it.
This issue for me is one of fairness. I would suggest that the most effective way to put the message of crowding in the Havelock schools to Hekia Parata would be to set her out on playground duty at Te Mata school.
Whilst the “bums on seats” statistics may match her “selective” policy, most certainly, despite magnificent efforts by the staff and board of trustees to make play in every respect a good experience for the pupils, there is no doubt the physical reality of 620 plus children out in a restricted amount of ground, would challenge the minister.
I believe she has sold out the many young families in the Brookvale area. She is disingenuous when she suggests any child can enrol in the new school. Yes, they can, as long as they wish to learn exclusively in Maori.
There is a great deal of pro Havelock kura comment from Horiana Robin. Why would she not be encouraging this proposed “cradle to grave” establishment within her own very handy domain at Mangateretere? There are adequate grounds, local marae, a fast approach by bus from Hastings, much basic infrastructure in place, many unused classrooms, and a philosophy of Maori language implementation.
Do the Maori immersion educational philosophies of the Hastings group not agree with the philosophies of the Mangateretere group?
Is there friction among the providers?
J G
Havelock North
Wanganui Chronicle 10/2/16
IN AN IVORY TOWER
On behalf of my fellow bigots, I ask the following question:
Why is it that when some people go to university, particularly those that study the nonproductive subjects such as political science or ancient history, for example, they get this holierthan-thou attitude towards the rest of the populace?
Steve Baron’s opinion piece ( January 21) was a typical demonstration of this sort of thinking where, if one doesn’t go to university, one’s thoughts and opinions are worthless. It would also appear that one is a bigot and has had no education whatsoever.
To quote Steve Baron: “They are usually the uninformed, close-minded, uneducated, and of an older generation”. I will put my hand up, sir. I am guilty of being old. What a bugger! But, as sure as hell I am not uninformed, close-minded or uneducated.
Mr Baron makes the point that Maori may indeed have more pakeha blood in their veins due to intermarriage, but if a person relates to their Maori heritage in preference, that is their right — no different to a New Zealander choosing to relate to an Irish heritage.
Well, there is a difference; it’s called the dollar!
Where else in the world can I claim an advantage because of my race, colour, or creed?
The only other places around the world where this occurs are usually war zones.
Like my fellow citizens and workers who did not go to university, we learned and contributed to society in a practical way and did not spend our valuable time pontificating about possible fairy tales in Disneyland.
I have to agree with everything that D Partner wrote in the January 30
Very well put, I thought — but then, obviously, I am a bigot.
A B
Aramoho
Bay of Plenty Times 10/2/16
MODERN TREATY IS A MOCKERY
Another Waitangi day celebrating, not the original Te Tiriti o Waitangi signed by 545 Rangitira but a reconstructed, racially biased document created by legal argument.
This new document is a travesty perpetrated against the original signatories that has cleverly created a multi-million dollar business for unprincipled white liberalists, lawyers, radical Maori and institutionalised racism. The consequential results of the Lange government, Geoffrey Palmer, Robin Cooke at law, the Treaty of Waitangi Act and the Waitangi Tribunal have not benefited mainstream, hardworking Maori.
It is time for all citizens of New Zealand to wake up to the truth of our history.
M J A
Pyes Pa
BLIND TO TRUTH
At least Tommy Wilson has the honesty to admit he has not read the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) document and neither, I am sure, have the raucous crowds protesting against it.
One does not have to plough through the 6000 pages of the document for it is easy to search out important details that affect New Zealand.
Twelve key economies from Asia, the Pacific, and the Americas will form a new trading bloc that makes it easier for goods and services to be traded between these nations.
Without being part of the agreement, New Zealand exports would be blocked by huge tariffs to other countries costing jobs and hurting our economy.
There is not a single clause in the TPP that will impact the Crown‘s obligations to Maori. In fact, the TPP includes a special provision preserving the preeminence of the Treaty of Waitangi. So what are these crowds protesting about?
The saying goes: “Ignorance is bliss” but not in this case. (Abridged)
M B
Tauranga
The Daily Post Rotorua 10/2/16
VIEWS IGNORED
Jonathan Temm’s letter (February 6) exploited the supposed elasticity of the term ‘democracy’ to offer a sycophantic assessment of the process used to get the Te Arawa Partnership Plan approved. He avoided any reference to the principles of democracy and some awkward facts about the policy process.
Advocacy for the TAPP was provided by politicised officials who prevented any consideration of our democratic governance model at the ‘public consultations’. So we boycotted them and mobilised mass objections at the hearings. But we, and the wider majority we represented, were ignored, wilfully misrepresented and vilified. An ugly process.
Temm’s avoided mentioning the actual outcomes. The TAPP gave disproportionate and unelected power to one community of interest, on three policy-making committees of council. It reminds us that tribalism and co-governance promise special benefits to the members of one community of interest. Democratic processes seek to reconcile all communities of interest. There was no attempt at reconciliation.
Legal advice from the most authoritative source in New Zealand that the TAPP was illegal was dismissed using local advice that matched political preferences. Moral objections were ridiculed. The TAPP was rammed through on the numbers.
Temm’s partisan advice would mean accepting a moral and legal outrage, forever compromising the quality of our local government. We believe it wiser to use the ballot box to restore democracy, the rule of law, financial responsibility and policy making power to elected representatives.
DR REYNOLD MACPHERSON
Rotorua District Residents and Ratepayers
Northern Advocate 10/2/16
HOW MUCH?
Re "Six Institutions Investigated" and three more under scrutiny. All wananga involving $25.6 million, "35 tertiary providers have wide-spread or serious educational delivery issues". How many more millions is that going to be?
Te Whare Wananga 0 Awanuiarangi awarded NZ Warrior players and staff qualifications after doing one day of an 18-week course. Really? My first reaction is fury at the ease with which certain people without con-science can access public money, vast amounts. Secondly, just how or when can they, will they, pay it back? Thirdly the government is just too easy with spending other people's money irresponsibly.
How thoroughly do they check the ability of institutions which apply for these monies, to meet their commitments? Where are the contractual obligations enforced? Why aren't they shut down the moment they fail to meet deadlines for information and reporting?
This is a business oriented government but with taxpayers' money invested in PC selected educational institutions they flamboyantly disregard applying accountability on any sound business basis. Hekia Parata should resign now.
R L
Whangarei
Northland Age 9/2/16
BE A MAN
Who the hell does Selwyn Clarke think he is, that he's above the law of New Zealand? What an insult to many other war veterans, who abide by the laws set down by the New Zealand government. I agree with the stopping of Selwyn's war pension, or any other benefit for anybody who believe they are above our court justice system.
One would think that if there is a problem then the court is the place to have the matter heard and resolved. Going by your front page headlines, Mr Clarke 's veteran's pension has been stopped for the reason that he has breached his bail conditions, e.g that he did not face up to his responsibilities to appear in court on the required day, so now faces a warrant for arrest.
This person, aged 88 years, is acting like an eight-year old spoiled child, and I say shame on him for begging at the Kaitaia Market, and receiving hand-outs from Ngati Kahu, when others of all ages requiring a helping hand with health needs. I say shame on our elected Northland Member of Parliament, Winston Peters, and Te Runanga-a-Iwi Ngati Kahu chief executive Anahera Herbert-Graves, supporting this man Selwyn Clarke who defied the police to leave the scene, so was charged with trespass, then refused to appear in court as part of his bail conditions, and now wants the public or the taxpayers to support him for his illegal actions.
Come on Selwyn, be a man and face up to your responsibilities. You owe it to yourself, and are lucky to receive a war veteran's pension. I take it it was the Korean War you fought in by your age. Just remember thousands of New Zealanders who lost their lives in New Zealand's short history. Be thankful that you were one of the I ucky ones to return and live another day. By all means, Selwyn, protest within the laws of the country, but you and your buddies went too far by stopping health workers carrying out their duties to care for the sick, so you lost my support and respect, and I hope many others.
If you take the view that under the treaty you never acceded your sovereignty, therefore not coming under the jurisdiction of the Crown, then the Crown is under no obligation to pay you a war pension, superior or any other benefits, hospital treatment or anything else. The time is long overdue that the treaty of 1840 was put to rest and we all grow up, as we are now living in 2016. Injustice has been around for thousands of years, and will continue with the loss of millions of lives.
J B
Diggers' Valley