Post by Kiwi Frontline on Jun 11, 2017 5:53:41 GMT 12
Dear Editor (Sent to the Otago Daily Times 1/6/17)
DUNNE DEAL
So Mr.Dunne Minister of InternalAffairs sees no problem with shifting the historic Treaty from Archives 100metres down the road to the NationalLibrary at a removal cost of $155,000 - $20,000 of that was spent on a lavish breakfast for the 560 “secret” viewers/invitees at PipiteaMarae based on maori tikanga‘kai’principle - general catering of $2255 plus translators payment of $4564 then another $3,600 KOHA payment.
Well what about the other $7million Mr.Dunne just spell out exactly how that is to be applied, to make the NationalLibrary fit for purpose to house this historical relic. In that regard a recent signed letter from two (2) well respected former ChiefArchivists is a damning indictment of what has gone on and questions the rationale and possibly the legality of moving the thing from its natural and proper home at Archives, where it was safely housed and on full public display.
Mr.Dunne, clearly you have lost the plot you are out of your depth, out of touch, out of order and hopefully in September2017 out of office! Your recent unhinged outburst about a pamphlet promoting equality and lambasting race-based policies shows exactly where you stand and your manic state of mind about justified criticism.
ROB PATERSON Matapihi
Dear Editor, (Sent to the Rotorua Daily Post 27/5/17)
Article 3 of S Noel Jory’s (RDP 27/5/17) revered 1840 Treaty introduced British common law. Since under British law, “the sea from high water mark to a point three miles out belongs to the crown”, therefore from 1840 on, New Zealand’s foreshore and seabed (F&S) was deemed to be in crown ownership and any customary rights to these resources were extinguished by the Treaty. This was clearly affirmed in the 1963 Court of Appeal Ninety Mile Beach case ruling.
If Maori thought they owned the F&S, then most Treaty of Waitangi claims would have included it, none did.
The F&S is not treated the same as dry land, even in Maori lore, ownership is established by Ahi Ka (fires of occupation), it would require a resourceful Maori to accomplish Ahi Ka in the F&S area.
The very name Maori LAND Court indicates that it should have no jurisdiction over the F&S tidal area.
Under the F&S Act 2004 Maori were not denied their legal rights to take a case to Court as Jory infers, however something as important as the F&S should be heard in the High Court, not lesser courts, or in direct negotiation with a government Minister as is the case now.
Mike McVicker (20/5/17) is correct saying "the biggest resource grab in the country's history", perhaps only to be surpassed by the upcoming freshwater grab by opportunist tribes and their supporting self servng European sycophants.
GEOFF PARKER Whangarei
Dear Editor, (Sent to the NBR 21/5/17)
Michael Cootes' article (19/5/17) raised the freshwater issue which should be of great concern to all New Zealanders. The iwi Leaders Freshwater Group has been working on this matter since 2007.
The Government’s stance on freshwater is that no-one owns water, instead they have passed responsibility to capitulating regional councils and unitary authorities who are meeting with the tribes behind closed doors right now.
This is huge. Water is life. We can't do without it.
The foreshore and seabed although serious enough is nothing in comparison to this nationwide hijack by elite Maori with the support of radical bureaucrats and appeasing self-serving politicians.
The Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group wants:
* Transfer of title to all Crown-owned river and lake beds and title to the water column above to regional tribal groups,
* title in fresh water consistent with Waitangi Tribunal rulings,
* guaranteed allocation of fresh water for all marae and marae housing, as well as free water infrastructure for maraes and marae housing,
* tribal participation at all levels of fresh water decision-making,
* a $1-billion fund of public money to build the capacity of tribes to implement fresh water management and control,
* tribal involvement in resource consents or an allocation of tradeable water rights.
My fellow New Zealanders, we are on a very dangerous path.
GEOFF PARKER Whangarei
DUNNE DEAL
So Mr.Dunne Minister of InternalAffairs sees no problem with shifting the historic Treaty from Archives 100metres down the road to the NationalLibrary at a removal cost of $155,000 - $20,000 of that was spent on a lavish breakfast for the 560 “secret” viewers/invitees at PipiteaMarae based on maori tikanga‘kai’principle - general catering of $2255 plus translators payment of $4564 then another $3,600 KOHA payment.
Well what about the other $7million Mr.Dunne just spell out exactly how that is to be applied, to make the NationalLibrary fit for purpose to house this historical relic. In that regard a recent signed letter from two (2) well respected former ChiefArchivists is a damning indictment of what has gone on and questions the rationale and possibly the legality of moving the thing from its natural and proper home at Archives, where it was safely housed and on full public display.
Mr.Dunne, clearly you have lost the plot you are out of your depth, out of touch, out of order and hopefully in September2017 out of office! Your recent unhinged outburst about a pamphlet promoting equality and lambasting race-based policies shows exactly where you stand and your manic state of mind about justified criticism.
ROB PATERSON Matapihi
Dear Editor, (Sent to the Rotorua Daily Post 27/5/17)
Article 3 of S Noel Jory’s (RDP 27/5/17) revered 1840 Treaty introduced British common law. Since under British law, “the sea from high water mark to a point three miles out belongs to the crown”, therefore from 1840 on, New Zealand’s foreshore and seabed (F&S) was deemed to be in crown ownership and any customary rights to these resources were extinguished by the Treaty. This was clearly affirmed in the 1963 Court of Appeal Ninety Mile Beach case ruling.
If Maori thought they owned the F&S, then most Treaty of Waitangi claims would have included it, none did.
The F&S is not treated the same as dry land, even in Maori lore, ownership is established by Ahi Ka (fires of occupation), it would require a resourceful Maori to accomplish Ahi Ka in the F&S area.
The very name Maori LAND Court indicates that it should have no jurisdiction over the F&S tidal area.
Under the F&S Act 2004 Maori were not denied their legal rights to take a case to Court as Jory infers, however something as important as the F&S should be heard in the High Court, not lesser courts, or in direct negotiation with a government Minister as is the case now.
Mike McVicker (20/5/17) is correct saying "the biggest resource grab in the country's history", perhaps only to be surpassed by the upcoming freshwater grab by opportunist tribes and their supporting self servng European sycophants.
GEOFF PARKER Whangarei
Dear Editor, (Sent to the NBR 21/5/17)
Michael Cootes' article (19/5/17) raised the freshwater issue which should be of great concern to all New Zealanders. The iwi Leaders Freshwater Group has been working on this matter since 2007.
The Government’s stance on freshwater is that no-one owns water, instead they have passed responsibility to capitulating regional councils and unitary authorities who are meeting with the tribes behind closed doors right now.
This is huge. Water is life. We can't do without it.
The foreshore and seabed although serious enough is nothing in comparison to this nationwide hijack by elite Maori with the support of radical bureaucrats and appeasing self-serving politicians.
The Freshwater Iwi Leaders Group wants:
* Transfer of title to all Crown-owned river and lake beds and title to the water column above to regional tribal groups,
* title in fresh water consistent with Waitangi Tribunal rulings,
* guaranteed allocation of fresh water for all marae and marae housing, as well as free water infrastructure for maraes and marae housing,
* tribal participation at all levels of fresh water decision-making,
* a $1-billion fund of public money to build the capacity of tribes to implement fresh water management and control,
* tribal involvement in resource consents or an allocation of tradeable water rights.
My fellow New Zealanders, we are on a very dangerous path.
GEOFF PARKER Whangarei