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Northland Age 12/5/16
WHAT BALONEY
Sam McHarg (letters May 5) observes that the "red-neck season has broken out again". Well, I can tell him that we red necks (New Zealand taxpayers), who have actually done an honest days work under the sun, can tell our pale brown. neck layabouts and their white neck buddies who don't know what a hard day's work is that we are getting sick of being falsely accused of all the harm they say we have done to them, their lies about the Treaty of Waitangi and their incessant demands for more and more cash and privileges from us.
McHarg lists a few examples of brutality by Europeans, to which we could add those of Asiatics from Genghis Khan to the Japanese rape of Nan king to Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Chinese in Tibet and plenty more, but all this has little relevance in New Zealand.
He appears to allege that Maori would not have got muskets had not European traders supplied them. Well actually, most sailors were quite reluctant to part with muskets, which were valuable possessions to them. Hongi went on a buying spree for muskets in England and got hundreds more in Sydney with money from the French and sale of gifts he had received, and so the slaughter escalated.
Then Anahera Herbert-Graves yet again (same issue) blandly states that "Prior to 1840, iwi and hapu were vibrant, functional constitutional polities with the right, capacity and authority to make politically binding decisions". Oh, boy. Lovely words, but what baloney.
It is a plain fact that life in Maori times consisted largely of unabated butchery, cannibalism, slavery and female infanticide. In a few decades of the musket wars nearly a third of the population was slaughtered by other Maori, but it suits today's racists to blame all the harm on the British, who actually saved them from self-destruction.
As for her Tuhoe — they never signed the Treaty because Hobson did not have sufficient troops to escort his emissaries and protect them from Tuhoe savagery. Perhaps Tuhoe should now forfeit all the privileges of New Zealand citizenship, plus all their ill-gotten gains from false Treaty settlements.
Appeasement never solves anything, as King Ethelred and Neville Chamberlain found out the hard way. It is high time for it to stop.
GEOFF PARKER
Kamo
PLEASE EXPLAIN
Perhaps Anahera Herbert-Graves could explain to me and other readers of the Northland Age why she rabbits on about history. Throughout history many injustices have taken place, affecting many people and ethnic groups. Perhaps the same person could explain what she is doing to improve her people's lives in 2016, to prosper, as I can see no benefit in digging up history.
Anahera, you need to move out of the square you are living in 150 plus years ago and start living in today's world if you really want to support and help your people. Many of your people have moved on from the past that you live in, and are doing very well for themselves and their families, knowing that living in the past prevents them from the benefits that 2016 and upcoming years offer them.
I may be no genius, but then I am no fool. One would consider the best things for Anahera's people today are issues like health, education, housing, drugs and alcohol, as well as violence control, dependency of welfare and an understanding that today is the most important day of anyone's life, as we cannot change yesterday and we may not see tomorrow.
People like Anahera Herbert-Graves are only fooling themselves, as nobody living today knows what those of the past were thinking or their intent when they signed the Waitangi Treaty. Many of your people served and died alongside what you call Pakeha, in unity for king and country, but also to protect what we had regardless of race or colour, to protect our way of life for generations to come. How many of your people would turn in their graves if they only knew the great division a few are trying to create through dwelling on the past?
Yes, I have served with your people, worked and lived amongst them as well as employed them Most of them very grateful to be a part of the New Zealand way of life that the early settlers offered them, and they knew there was no future for than with the fighting, rape, cannibalism, slavery, infanticide etc., which was taking place before the white man's arrival in New Zealand.
It is possible that the Maori race may have become extinct had it not been for the white man's intervention, or because of their savagery the above would still be happening today.
I believe the only reason for today's discontent is nothing other than the dollar sign in front of a few people's eyes, having more white blood in their veins than Maori, being discontent for no other reason than greed and power for themselves.
J B
Diggers' Valley
THE BICULTURAL MYTH
Whatever people may think, culture is not about the clothes we wear on high days and holidays, nor the ornament on a string around our neck, nor even about the moko on our chin. Culture is about how we actually live, work, play and relate to other people. Thus the typical part-maori — as almost all are these days — lives in a house with a real floor, supplied with piped water, electricity and sewage disposal. The family will get most of its food from a supermarket or a junk food outlet and its clothing from a retail store — not a flax root or grass skirt in sight. It will have a TV set, a refrigerator, a car and several cell phones. The men and boys will play or watch rugby —in one code or another — have a few beers with mates on a Saturday evening and sometimes go to church on Sunday.
There will be a hospital not too far away and even a helicopter to rescue really urgent cases. For all or most of the time, the language it speaks is English, and members will read or write in English as the occasion requires. Now there is nothing wrong will all this, and I hope it is a minimum for the majority. However, and this is the key point, in every single instance, everyone of these aspects of living, good or otherwise, is a direct inheritance from the family's Anglo-Saxon Celtic forebears and cousins. In short, its culture is British, none other, and its lifestyle not very different from that of most people in the United Kingdom or Australia and better than that of many in the United States. Of course there is some Maori influence around — the names of towns and rivers and so on, and if a local group offers a concert where the women and girls whirl poi and sing a canoe song, well and good. Most of us would go along and enjoy it, but, to be honest, these are not the essentials of life.
Again, concocted 'Maori' words on supermarket signs for words like 'biscuits', 'wine and 'air fresheners,' or for 'police' and 'council' on government buildings, are nothing but the window. dressing of foolish bureaucrats and others with nothing better to do. Somebody said not long ago that it is only a matter of time before the Maori language becomes an ornamental one like Latin, but even Latin has no need for such artificialities. And while we are at it, there is that haka composed by baby- eating savage Te Rauparaha, with words beginning "Kill him! Kill Him". It is surely beginning to look well past its use-by date, and it would be kind to consign it to the dust bin of history. Anyway, it probably makes much of the world believe we are half-naked savages with bones through our noses.
So, I say forget all this politically correct and self-conscious rubbish about 'biculturalism; which even Sir Paul Reeves could not describe coherently. Let us allow our culture to evolve naturally, without force-feeding. If some Maori flavour endures in it, so be it, but inevitably we are and will remain the nation founded by the British, and in that surely we are fortunate
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
FREEDOM TO SPEAK
Mike Hosking is being accused of, quote "a 'racist' editorial outburst" and that it
is likely he will be in hot water from his employers, TVN Z. His final comments on Mayor Andrew Judd's interview were acceptable to middle New Zealand, as all polling results on race-based seats within local government have been resoundingly negative.
The Human Rights Commission, when explaining Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, guarantees citizens the right to hold opinions without interference, and. freedom of expression, including the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art or other media choice.
Section 14 of the Bill of Rights Act states that "everyone has the right to freedom of expression, freedom to seek and receive and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form". The only good part of Seven Sharp TV1 is Mike Hosking's pertinent and succinct comments when he signs off, and my question is,'Who has actually made that accusation'?
M J A
Pyes Pa
WHAT BALONEY
Sam McHarg (letters May 5) observes that the "red-neck season has broken out again". Well, I can tell him that we red necks (New Zealand taxpayers), who have actually done an honest days work under the sun, can tell our pale brown. neck layabouts and their white neck buddies who don't know what a hard day's work is that we are getting sick of being falsely accused of all the harm they say we have done to them, their lies about the Treaty of Waitangi and their incessant demands for more and more cash and privileges from us.
McHarg lists a few examples of brutality by Europeans, to which we could add those of Asiatics from Genghis Khan to the Japanese rape of Nan king to Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Chinese in Tibet and plenty more, but all this has little relevance in New Zealand.
He appears to allege that Maori would not have got muskets had not European traders supplied them. Well actually, most sailors were quite reluctant to part with muskets, which were valuable possessions to them. Hongi went on a buying spree for muskets in England and got hundreds more in Sydney with money from the French and sale of gifts he had received, and so the slaughter escalated.
Then Anahera Herbert-Graves yet again (same issue) blandly states that "Prior to 1840, iwi and hapu were vibrant, functional constitutional polities with the right, capacity and authority to make politically binding decisions". Oh, boy. Lovely words, but what baloney.
It is a plain fact that life in Maori times consisted largely of unabated butchery, cannibalism, slavery and female infanticide. In a few decades of the musket wars nearly a third of the population was slaughtered by other Maori, but it suits today's racists to blame all the harm on the British, who actually saved them from self-destruction.
As for her Tuhoe — they never signed the Treaty because Hobson did not have sufficient troops to escort his emissaries and protect them from Tuhoe savagery. Perhaps Tuhoe should now forfeit all the privileges of New Zealand citizenship, plus all their ill-gotten gains from false Treaty settlements.
Appeasement never solves anything, as King Ethelred and Neville Chamberlain found out the hard way. It is high time for it to stop.
GEOFF PARKER
Kamo
PLEASE EXPLAIN
Perhaps Anahera Herbert-Graves could explain to me and other readers of the Northland Age why she rabbits on about history. Throughout history many injustices have taken place, affecting many people and ethnic groups. Perhaps the same person could explain what she is doing to improve her people's lives in 2016, to prosper, as I can see no benefit in digging up history.
Anahera, you need to move out of the square you are living in 150 plus years ago and start living in today's world if you really want to support and help your people. Many of your people have moved on from the past that you live in, and are doing very well for themselves and their families, knowing that living in the past prevents them from the benefits that 2016 and upcoming years offer them.
I may be no genius, but then I am no fool. One would consider the best things for Anahera's people today are issues like health, education, housing, drugs and alcohol, as well as violence control, dependency of welfare and an understanding that today is the most important day of anyone's life, as we cannot change yesterday and we may not see tomorrow.
People like Anahera Herbert-Graves are only fooling themselves, as nobody living today knows what those of the past were thinking or their intent when they signed the Waitangi Treaty. Many of your people served and died alongside what you call Pakeha, in unity for king and country, but also to protect what we had regardless of race or colour, to protect our way of life for generations to come. How many of your people would turn in their graves if they only knew the great division a few are trying to create through dwelling on the past?
Yes, I have served with your people, worked and lived amongst them as well as employed them Most of them very grateful to be a part of the New Zealand way of life that the early settlers offered them, and they knew there was no future for than with the fighting, rape, cannibalism, slavery, infanticide etc., which was taking place before the white man's arrival in New Zealand.
It is possible that the Maori race may have become extinct had it not been for the white man's intervention, or because of their savagery the above would still be happening today.
I believe the only reason for today's discontent is nothing other than the dollar sign in front of a few people's eyes, having more white blood in their veins than Maori, being discontent for no other reason than greed and power for themselves.
J B
Diggers' Valley
THE BICULTURAL MYTH
Whatever people may think, culture is not about the clothes we wear on high days and holidays, nor the ornament on a string around our neck, nor even about the moko on our chin. Culture is about how we actually live, work, play and relate to other people. Thus the typical part-maori — as almost all are these days — lives in a house with a real floor, supplied with piped water, electricity and sewage disposal. The family will get most of its food from a supermarket or a junk food outlet and its clothing from a retail store — not a flax root or grass skirt in sight. It will have a TV set, a refrigerator, a car and several cell phones. The men and boys will play or watch rugby —in one code or another — have a few beers with mates on a Saturday evening and sometimes go to church on Sunday.
There will be a hospital not too far away and even a helicopter to rescue really urgent cases. For all or most of the time, the language it speaks is English, and members will read or write in English as the occasion requires. Now there is nothing wrong will all this, and I hope it is a minimum for the majority. However, and this is the key point, in every single instance, everyone of these aspects of living, good or otherwise, is a direct inheritance from the family's Anglo-Saxon Celtic forebears and cousins. In short, its culture is British, none other, and its lifestyle not very different from that of most people in the United Kingdom or Australia and better than that of many in the United States. Of course there is some Maori influence around — the names of towns and rivers and so on, and if a local group offers a concert where the women and girls whirl poi and sing a canoe song, well and good. Most of us would go along and enjoy it, but, to be honest, these are not the essentials of life.
Again, concocted 'Maori' words on supermarket signs for words like 'biscuits', 'wine and 'air fresheners,' or for 'police' and 'council' on government buildings, are nothing but the window. dressing of foolish bureaucrats and others with nothing better to do. Somebody said not long ago that it is only a matter of time before the Maori language becomes an ornamental one like Latin, but even Latin has no need for such artificialities. And while we are at it, there is that haka composed by baby- eating savage Te Rauparaha, with words beginning "Kill him! Kill Him". It is surely beginning to look well past its use-by date, and it would be kind to consign it to the dust bin of history. Anyway, it probably makes much of the world believe we are half-naked savages with bones through our noses.
So, I say forget all this politically correct and self-conscious rubbish about 'biculturalism; which even Sir Paul Reeves could not describe coherently. Let us allow our culture to evolve naturally, without force-feeding. If some Maori flavour endures in it, so be it, but inevitably we are and will remain the nation founded by the British, and in that surely we are fortunate
BRUCE MOON
Nelson
FREEDOM TO SPEAK
Mike Hosking is being accused of, quote "a 'racist' editorial outburst" and that it
is likely he will be in hot water from his employers, TVN Z. His final comments on Mayor Andrew Judd's interview were acceptable to middle New Zealand, as all polling results on race-based seats within local government have been resoundingly negative.
The Human Rights Commission, when explaining Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, guarantees citizens the right to hold opinions without interference, and. freedom of expression, including the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art or other media choice.
Section 14 of the Bill of Rights Act states that "everyone has the right to freedom of expression, freedom to seek and receive and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form". The only good part of Seven Sharp TV1 is Mike Hosking's pertinent and succinct comments when he signs off, and my question is,'Who has actually made that accusation'?
M J A
Pyes Pa