Post by Kiwi Frontline on Jan 17, 2020 13:34:35 GMT 12
The Editor (Sent to the Northern Advocate 7/1/20)
LOST IN TRANSLATION
Tiriti o Waitangi (in the maori language) is the only legitimate Treaty ( 500 words) with a Preamble and 3 Articles (a benign Agreement all Kiwis could accept ) prepared from the Hobson /Busby final English draft (aka LittlewoodDraft) that cross translates perfectly with TeTiriti while the bogus Freeman version doesn’t.
There ’s no English version with Hobson clearly stating that the Treaty signed at Waitangi on 6 February1840 was the only Treaty.
Once signed the Treaty almost immediately became redundant as sovereignty was ceded by all chiefs who signed British citizenship granted, and sale of maori land rules put in place so all 3 Articles were satisfied..
Absolutely no reference to any treaty principles, partnerships, nor fisheries forests rivers etc. in TeTiriti nor Littlewood Draft- promising only what was contained in the 3 Articles.
In fact because it wasn’t made between nations not a treaty simply an agreement between the British Crown and a group of disparate warring tribes represented by 52 chiefs at Waitangi eventually gaining 542 signatures to ceding sovereignty.
In reality sovereignty was acquired by Acts of State( May1840) and Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter 16 November1840.
Yes while the Treaty was very fair it never dealt with fairness nor of course the modern day rewritten revised and fabricated things to satisfy only blatant self interest and the unjustified fatuous entitlement claims being made in 2020.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
Dear Editor, (Sent to the Northern Advocate & Northland Age 20/12/19)
A Northern Advocate letter to the Editor (17/12/19) prattles on about the chiefs who signed the Treaty of Waitangi: “There could be no more question of them giving up this mana than the Queen giving up hers.” - It appears that author is unaware of the letter sent by chiefs to King William the IV in 1831 begging the Brits for protection mainly from the French – difficult to see mana in that cry for help.
His letter also implies that the chiefs in signing the treaty were entering into an equal Crown/Maori partnership: “That is what the original Treaty partners believed.” - here again his misinformation is astonishing as one only has to read the chief’s speeches prior to signing the TOW to see that they knew full well that they would not be equal partners or indeed any measure of a partner.
A sample of the chief’s speeches from Colenso’s records: Te Kemara - “No, no, no; I shall never say 'Yes' to your staying. Were all to be on an equality, then, perhaps, Te Kemara would say, ' Yes; ' but for the Governor to be up and Te Kemara down -Governor high up, up, up, and Te Kemara down low, small, a worm, a crawler -no, no, no.” Yet he signed
Tareha - If all were to be alike, all equal in rank with thee -but thou, the Governor up high up, up, as this tall paddle " (here he held up a common canoe paddle), "and I down, under, beneath! No, no, no.”
Hoani Heke - “Thou to go away! No, no, no! For then the French people or the rum-sellers will have us Natives. Remain, remain;..... Sit, I say, Governor, sit! a father, a Governor for us."
Tamati Waka Nene - “Do not thou go away from us; remain for us -a father, a judge, a peacemaker. “ Signed
Patuone - “ Remain here with us, to be a father for us, that the French have us not, that Pikopo, that bad man, have us not.“
Tamati Pukututu - "This is mine to thee, O Governor! Sit, Governor, sit, a Governor for us -for me, for all”
Warerahi - “We will have this man as our Governor.”
Rewa (although he signed) later said - “Send the man away; do not sign the paper; if you do, you will be reduced to the condition of slaves”
The letter then alludes to the TOW as our founding document. The TOW is about chiefs ceding sovereignty in return for rights as British subjects and all the treaty actually says is that the Queen is sovereign and Maori are her subjects, with the rights of subjects, including possession of property.
If a constitution is a set of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is governed, thus constituting what the entity is, the November 16, 1840, Royal Charter is the first statement on how the governance of New Zealand was to be organised. This has to be our founding document.
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers/unpublished-letters
LOST IN TRANSLATION
Tiriti o Waitangi (in the maori language) is the only legitimate Treaty ( 500 words) with a Preamble and 3 Articles (a benign Agreement all Kiwis could accept ) prepared from the Hobson /Busby final English draft (aka LittlewoodDraft) that cross translates perfectly with TeTiriti while the bogus Freeman version doesn’t.
There ’s no English version with Hobson clearly stating that the Treaty signed at Waitangi on 6 February1840 was the only Treaty.
Once signed the Treaty almost immediately became redundant as sovereignty was ceded by all chiefs who signed British citizenship granted, and sale of maori land rules put in place so all 3 Articles were satisfied..
Absolutely no reference to any treaty principles, partnerships, nor fisheries forests rivers etc. in TeTiriti nor Littlewood Draft- promising only what was contained in the 3 Articles.
In fact because it wasn’t made between nations not a treaty simply an agreement between the British Crown and a group of disparate warring tribes represented by 52 chiefs at Waitangi eventually gaining 542 signatures to ceding sovereignty.
In reality sovereignty was acquired by Acts of State( May1840) and Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter 16 November1840.
Yes while the Treaty was very fair it never dealt with fairness nor of course the modern day rewritten revised and fabricated things to satisfy only blatant self interest and the unjustified fatuous entitlement claims being made in 2020.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
Dear Editor, (Sent to the Northern Advocate & Northland Age 20/12/19)
A Northern Advocate letter to the Editor (17/12/19) prattles on about the chiefs who signed the Treaty of Waitangi: “There could be no more question of them giving up this mana than the Queen giving up hers.” - It appears that author is unaware of the letter sent by chiefs to King William the IV in 1831 begging the Brits for protection mainly from the French – difficult to see mana in that cry for help.
His letter also implies that the chiefs in signing the treaty were entering into an equal Crown/Maori partnership: “That is what the original Treaty partners believed.” - here again his misinformation is astonishing as one only has to read the chief’s speeches prior to signing the TOW to see that they knew full well that they would not be equal partners or indeed any measure of a partner.
A sample of the chief’s speeches from Colenso’s records: Te Kemara - “No, no, no; I shall never say 'Yes' to your staying. Were all to be on an equality, then, perhaps, Te Kemara would say, ' Yes; ' but for the Governor to be up and Te Kemara down -Governor high up, up, up, and Te Kemara down low, small, a worm, a crawler -no, no, no.” Yet he signed
Tareha - If all were to be alike, all equal in rank with thee -but thou, the Governor up high up, up, as this tall paddle " (here he held up a common canoe paddle), "and I down, under, beneath! No, no, no.”
Hoani Heke - “Thou to go away! No, no, no! For then the French people or the rum-sellers will have us Natives. Remain, remain;..... Sit, I say, Governor, sit! a father, a Governor for us."
Tamati Waka Nene - “Do not thou go away from us; remain for us -a father, a judge, a peacemaker. “ Signed
Patuone - “ Remain here with us, to be a father for us, that the French have us not, that Pikopo, that bad man, have us not.“
Tamati Pukututu - "This is mine to thee, O Governor! Sit, Governor, sit, a Governor for us -for me, for all”
Warerahi - “We will have this man as our Governor.”
Rewa (although he signed) later said - “Send the man away; do not sign the paper; if you do, you will be reduced to the condition of slaves”
The letter then alludes to the TOW as our founding document. The TOW is about chiefs ceding sovereignty in return for rights as British subjects and all the treaty actually says is that the Queen is sovereign and Maori are her subjects, with the rights of subjects, including possession of property.
If a constitution is a set of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is governed, thus constituting what the entity is, the November 16, 1840, Royal Charter is the first statement on how the governance of New Zealand was to be organised. This has to be our founding document.
GEOFF PARKER, Whangarei
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers/unpublished-letters