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Northland Age 11/2/20
INFANTS AT RISK
The furore regarding the uplifting of at risk infants which continues ad nauseum along with the associated naval gazing and knee jerking is ludicrous. The prime concern and only consideration here, is the welfare and safe-being of at risk infants - the wider family and parents are of secondary importance as they are usually the root cause of the problem not the solution. To enable any infant to be uplifted, invariably a Court Order (Judges should be provided with full background /reports) is required and it is inconceivable that the Ministry for Children would ever act precipitously because of the flak involved. The natural first step is always to see if the child can initially be placed with other family members and if this cannot be safely negotiated because others are not fit to take the child then that in itself is a telling indictment. Indiscriminate breeding, physical abuse, alcohol, drug taking, violent temperaments, history of violence dysfunctional and varied relationships etc. are all major contributors to the upsurge of child related violence. it is not right for any Government Dept nor Kiwi taxpayers to wear the vitriolic diatribe resulting from other people’s failures.
Should the Ministry currently properly uplift at risk infants , there is always feigned and frenzied outrage while if a child is not removed and subsequently suffers physical harm or death, then all hell breaks loose – it is a ‘no win situation’ for the Ministry who would be better served just wiping its hands of the whole self -inflicted mess. Keep out of the bunfight and let the malcontents play Russian roulette with kids lives -is that what the do gooders want? If you just throw more money at those who are responsible or have culpability for events it will achieve nothing but more ongoing bitching and woe is me nonsense.
Families must front up and be counted by addressing issues before they reach the bottom of the cliff stage because lack of family support and care are often most telling features in the child tragedies. From the use of inappropriate name OrangaTamariki…bandied about it seems fair to conclude these children in at risk situations are usually part-maori.
Unbelievably up to five separate individual current investigations are underway and the cost involved will be horrendous. Children’s Commissioner Becroft looks ineffectual, and Minister for Children Tracy Martin as usual proffers nothing. The latest report commissioned by vested self -serving maori interests and just released by ex -Maori Party President Glavish and no doubt endorsed by ex- Maori Party co- leader Turia who are incidentally also Waitangi Tribunal complainants on the subject simply trotting out the same old hackneyed prattle.
None of the tormented bleating souls seem prepared to face the reality of the situation and place the blame squarely where it lies. Stop playing the aggrieved, try looking in the mirror and start sheeting home responsibility properly. Why not set up local voluntary groups comprising maori luminaries, maori wardens, the do gooders and so forth to hold miscreants to account and let them deal directly with those responsible for the criminal child abuse.
Public outrage in my opinion is confined to normal KIWIS being blamed for the crimes of others.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
Weekend Sun / Sunlive 7/2/20
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE
It seems B. Mikaere (The Weekend Sun, January 31, page 28) has missed the whole point of my letter although he seems to be highly involved in this Mission Street land issue and therefore biased.
Anyway…
Nowhere has B. Mikaere provided proof that this land Tauranga City Council bought legally off another person who happened to be selling it in Mission Street actually belonged to the Otamata trust in the past but was taken from them illegally.
I have absolutely no problem if that is the case to hand the land back if this can be proven and if it is then Tauranga Council should not have used $1.5million of ratepayers money on this fruitless exercise but Otamata trust should have been rightfully given back this land by the Crown and not at ratepayers expense.
With any land transaction you need legal proof of ownership to finalise a sale and I am amazed that B. Mikaere has not provided that.
It appears that B. Mikaere has some sort of influence over council members about his statements on his version of Maori history being the only one as surely at least one councillor should have challenged him about ratepayer funded land just being handed over without any protest or proof of ownership first? Would you? What would your lawyer advise? (abridged).
L ASKIN, Bethlehem
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INFANTS AT RISK
The furore regarding the uplifting of at risk infants which continues ad nauseum along with the associated naval gazing and knee jerking is ludicrous. The prime concern and only consideration here, is the welfare and safe-being of at risk infants - the wider family and parents are of secondary importance as they are usually the root cause of the problem not the solution. To enable any infant to be uplifted, invariably a Court Order (Judges should be provided with full background /reports) is required and it is inconceivable that the Ministry for Children would ever act precipitously because of the flak involved. The natural first step is always to see if the child can initially be placed with other family members and if this cannot be safely negotiated because others are not fit to take the child then that in itself is a telling indictment. Indiscriminate breeding, physical abuse, alcohol, drug taking, violent temperaments, history of violence dysfunctional and varied relationships etc. are all major contributors to the upsurge of child related violence. it is not right for any Government Dept nor Kiwi taxpayers to wear the vitriolic diatribe resulting from other people’s failures.
Should the Ministry currently properly uplift at risk infants , there is always feigned and frenzied outrage while if a child is not removed and subsequently suffers physical harm or death, then all hell breaks loose – it is a ‘no win situation’ for the Ministry who would be better served just wiping its hands of the whole self -inflicted mess. Keep out of the bunfight and let the malcontents play Russian roulette with kids lives -is that what the do gooders want? If you just throw more money at those who are responsible or have culpability for events it will achieve nothing but more ongoing bitching and woe is me nonsense.
Families must front up and be counted by addressing issues before they reach the bottom of the cliff stage because lack of family support and care are often most telling features in the child tragedies. From the use of inappropriate name OrangaTamariki…bandied about it seems fair to conclude these children in at risk situations are usually part-maori.
Unbelievably up to five separate individual current investigations are underway and the cost involved will be horrendous. Children’s Commissioner Becroft looks ineffectual, and Minister for Children Tracy Martin as usual proffers nothing. The latest report commissioned by vested self -serving maori interests and just released by ex -Maori Party President Glavish and no doubt endorsed by ex- Maori Party co- leader Turia who are incidentally also Waitangi Tribunal complainants on the subject simply trotting out the same old hackneyed prattle.
None of the tormented bleating souls seem prepared to face the reality of the situation and place the blame squarely where it lies. Stop playing the aggrieved, try looking in the mirror and start sheeting home responsibility properly. Why not set up local voluntary groups comprising maori luminaries, maori wardens, the do gooders and so forth to hold miscreants to account and let them deal directly with those responsible for the criminal child abuse.
Public outrage in my opinion is confined to normal KIWIS being blamed for the crimes of others.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
Weekend Sun / Sunlive 7/2/20
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE
It seems B. Mikaere (The Weekend Sun, January 31, page 28) has missed the whole point of my letter although he seems to be highly involved in this Mission Street land issue and therefore biased.
Anyway…
Nowhere has B. Mikaere provided proof that this land Tauranga City Council bought legally off another person who happened to be selling it in Mission Street actually belonged to the Otamata trust in the past but was taken from them illegally.
I have absolutely no problem if that is the case to hand the land back if this can be proven and if it is then Tauranga Council should not have used $1.5million of ratepayers money on this fruitless exercise but Otamata trust should have been rightfully given back this land by the Crown and not at ratepayers expense.
With any land transaction you need legal proof of ownership to finalise a sale and I am amazed that B. Mikaere has not provided that.
It appears that B. Mikaere has some sort of influence over council members about his statements on his version of Maori history being the only one as surely at least one councillor should have challenged him about ratepayer funded land just being handed over without any protest or proof of ownership first? Would you? What would your lawyer advise? (abridged).
L ASKIN, Bethlehem
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