Post by Kiwi Frontline on Jun 3, 2020 12:48:42 GMT 12
Northland Age 2/6/20
ALWAYS UNACCEPTABLE
Plenty of unmitigated nonsense has been written defending this blatantly unlawful behaviour (roadblocks).
For example, the thrust of Professors Spoonley and Shaw of the Massey University's College School of Humanities and Social Sciences spiel on the roadblocks issue (NZ Herald May 25) defies belief, and is in my view incorrect and inflammatory. They should stick to their academic fairyland world devoid of reality, facts and common sense
Let me assist these types to understand not only were there very senous rule of law issues with illegal vigilante roadblocks, often manned by activists and gang members, in Northland. East Coast, Taranaki and parts of Bay of Plenty etc, but the failure to stamp out the illegal roadblocks led to this offending mushrooming elsewhere.
It is irrelevant what the personal and political PC views of top cops Haumaha and Coster might be the miscreants should have been shut down and prosecuted.
Ms Arden, when questioned about the illegality, was evasive, offhand, blase and ambivalent. Clearly she condoned the roadblocks.
All were illegal under S21 and S22 Summary Offences Act 1981 etc., because they blocked public roads, intimidated people, and clearly they breached many parts of the lockdown legislation.
In my view the public perception was that Ms Ardem effectively encouraged offenders to break the law while stating government were leaving it up to the police and would not interfere
Police could of course have set up road checkpoints, but the vigilantes could not do so. Nor could they be authorised by police. So-called working with the police is a complete nonsense, and breaches social distancing and privacy laws.
As there were reputed to be up to 80 roadblocks operating, if these were warranted or justified and manned 24/7 by eight police personnel each that is only 640 officers and 80 cars involved out of a total police force of 10,000 staff, and even the army could and should have been legally co-opted to assist.
This is the very thing the police were engaged to do anyway.- not supervise people breaking the law.
In a nutshell it was wrong and illegal, no ifs and buts about it, and dare I say it, reeked of race-based preferential treatment and should have been stopped immediately.
All Kiwis know that anyone else trying this trick on would be nailed and dealt too. The police and government were, in my view. complicit and parties to the offending.
Incidentally. David Parker. as the Attorney-General being New Zealand's No 1 law enforcement officer, should be fronting up to this problem. not Ms Arden who is shallow on a good day and clearly way out of her depth on rule of law issues.
This was not the only separatist race-based stuff thrown up over the Covid-I9 lockdown period.
First up we had the $56 million pandemic handout for Maori health (what was that for and where is the accountability?) then the illegal road blocks appeared, and now the massively increased GP subsidy payments announced for Maori patients over everyone else, plus we suddenly have preferential treatment for part-Maori and Pasifika on DHB waiting lists.
All have the politicising stench to them of trying to fly under the radar with critics sidelined during lockdown.
There was another $900 million in the Budget lolly scramble. Separatism and racial preferences are unacceptable in any form at any time.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
GET USED TO IT,
Give someone alleging to be Maori a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and chips, then the rights to where the fish was caught and ownership of that part of the ocean plus funding for a new boat! Moreover, some politician who wants his vote will declare all these things to be among his 'basic rights.'
We want more! we want the water, the beaches, the lakes, the airwaves, local and central governance, everything!. and some politician who wants to "slip into bed" with people who 'allege' to be Maori will declare all these things to be among their 'basic rights.'
The word 'racism is like Tomato sauce. It can be poured on practically anything - and demanding any evidence or saying no to their demands makes you the 'racist!.If you have always believed that everyone is equal, should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, you would have been labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago but today you're a racist!.
It is amazing in NZ that cannot afford to pay our nurses properly, our ambulance and rescue helicopter along with surf rescue live on mostly donations, but somehow our government and their "minions think that we can afford to pay for "Maorified" bureaucracy to administer anything and everything, always with a little "koha" leftover for themselves.
Regarding the opposition to Maori wards, unelected seats on council and the councils and mayors that "we" elected who stabbed us in the back, it is clear that the people who were ''voted'' in and I use that term loosely as most people don't vote care nothing for democracy, and while constantly talking about transparency do most of their 'dealings' behind closed doors in closed groups and close off anyway to get access to what has been decided, what has been taken away from you or what else they've decided you will pay for.
In New Zealand, it is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of these people who pay no price for being wrong and use divisive race-baiting politics to keep them in power and push an ideology that will, in the end, split the country down the middle, into 'them' and 'us'.
REX ANDERSON, Lower Hutt
MUZZLED
The Bi-culturalism fostered by the Government is not fair at all Maoris can give vent to their spleen and say dreadful things like “pushing the Pakeha into the sea” and “all the land is ours” But Race Relations Act has muzzled the Non-Maori population of NZ by not allowing criticism of Maori to be published.
New Zealand was almost completely covered by bush except for the land around rivers and lakes and estuaries. Sir Apirana Ngata expressly mentions the “tracks through the bush”.
In the Maori land Courts by claimants of land, the Maoris couldn’t do much with the land, they needed steel axes. But who cleared the lands to make the farms, who built the boats to catch the fish; who brought the benefits of the Western world to share with our Maori brethren? It was not the Maori.
Apart from Captain Cook (1769) and his gift of pigs and goats little was added from outside influences until the arrival of USA whalers and 500 escaped convicts from Australia. “Kororarika” (Russell) became the hell-hole of the Pacific. Drunken orgies and murders were common and warring tribes made life hazardous in the early days. Most of the disputes were over land and power. These were the days of the Warriors. Chief Te Wherowhero ordered 256 prisoners of the Taranaki people before him, he slew them all by a “mere” this trophy was kept by his son Matu-taera,,, the late Maori King.
IAN BROUGHAM, Wanganui
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers/unpublished-letters
ALWAYS UNACCEPTABLE
Plenty of unmitigated nonsense has been written defending this blatantly unlawful behaviour (roadblocks).
For example, the thrust of Professors Spoonley and Shaw of the Massey University's College School of Humanities and Social Sciences spiel on the roadblocks issue (NZ Herald May 25) defies belief, and is in my view incorrect and inflammatory. They should stick to their academic fairyland world devoid of reality, facts and common sense
Let me assist these types to understand not only were there very senous rule of law issues with illegal vigilante roadblocks, often manned by activists and gang members, in Northland. East Coast, Taranaki and parts of Bay of Plenty etc, but the failure to stamp out the illegal roadblocks led to this offending mushrooming elsewhere.
It is irrelevant what the personal and political PC views of top cops Haumaha and Coster might be the miscreants should have been shut down and prosecuted.
Ms Arden, when questioned about the illegality, was evasive, offhand, blase and ambivalent. Clearly she condoned the roadblocks.
All were illegal under S21 and S22 Summary Offences Act 1981 etc., because they blocked public roads, intimidated people, and clearly they breached many parts of the lockdown legislation.
In my view the public perception was that Ms Ardem effectively encouraged offenders to break the law while stating government were leaving it up to the police and would not interfere
Police could of course have set up road checkpoints, but the vigilantes could not do so. Nor could they be authorised by police. So-called working with the police is a complete nonsense, and breaches social distancing and privacy laws.
As there were reputed to be up to 80 roadblocks operating, if these were warranted or justified and manned 24/7 by eight police personnel each that is only 640 officers and 80 cars involved out of a total police force of 10,000 staff, and even the army could and should have been legally co-opted to assist.
This is the very thing the police were engaged to do anyway.- not supervise people breaking the law.
In a nutshell it was wrong and illegal, no ifs and buts about it, and dare I say it, reeked of race-based preferential treatment and should have been stopped immediately.
All Kiwis know that anyone else trying this trick on would be nailed and dealt too. The police and government were, in my view. complicit and parties to the offending.
Incidentally. David Parker. as the Attorney-General being New Zealand's No 1 law enforcement officer, should be fronting up to this problem. not Ms Arden who is shallow on a good day and clearly way out of her depth on rule of law issues.
This was not the only separatist race-based stuff thrown up over the Covid-I9 lockdown period.
First up we had the $56 million pandemic handout for Maori health (what was that for and where is the accountability?) then the illegal road blocks appeared, and now the massively increased GP subsidy payments announced for Maori patients over everyone else, plus we suddenly have preferential treatment for part-Maori and Pasifika on DHB waiting lists.
All have the politicising stench to them of trying to fly under the radar with critics sidelined during lockdown.
There was another $900 million in the Budget lolly scramble. Separatism and racial preferences are unacceptable in any form at any time.
ROB PATERSON, Mount Maunganui
GET USED TO IT,
Give someone alleging to be Maori a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and chips, then the rights to where the fish was caught and ownership of that part of the ocean plus funding for a new boat! Moreover, some politician who wants his vote will declare all these things to be among his 'basic rights.'
We want more! we want the water, the beaches, the lakes, the airwaves, local and central governance, everything!. and some politician who wants to "slip into bed" with people who 'allege' to be Maori will declare all these things to be among their 'basic rights.'
The word 'racism is like Tomato sauce. It can be poured on practically anything - and demanding any evidence or saying no to their demands makes you the 'racist!.If you have always believed that everyone is equal, should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, you would have been labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago but today you're a racist!.
It is amazing in NZ that cannot afford to pay our nurses properly, our ambulance and rescue helicopter along with surf rescue live on mostly donations, but somehow our government and their "minions think that we can afford to pay for "Maorified" bureaucracy to administer anything and everything, always with a little "koha" leftover for themselves.
Regarding the opposition to Maori wards, unelected seats on council and the councils and mayors that "we" elected who stabbed us in the back, it is clear that the people who were ''voted'' in and I use that term loosely as most people don't vote care nothing for democracy, and while constantly talking about transparency do most of their 'dealings' behind closed doors in closed groups and close off anyway to get access to what has been decided, what has been taken away from you or what else they've decided you will pay for.
In New Zealand, it is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of these people who pay no price for being wrong and use divisive race-baiting politics to keep them in power and push an ideology that will, in the end, split the country down the middle, into 'them' and 'us'.
REX ANDERSON, Lower Hutt
MUZZLED
The Bi-culturalism fostered by the Government is not fair at all Maoris can give vent to their spleen and say dreadful things like “pushing the Pakeha into the sea” and “all the land is ours” But Race Relations Act has muzzled the Non-Maori population of NZ by not allowing criticism of Maori to be published.
New Zealand was almost completely covered by bush except for the land around rivers and lakes and estuaries. Sir Apirana Ngata expressly mentions the “tracks through the bush”.
In the Maori land Courts by claimants of land, the Maoris couldn’t do much with the land, they needed steel axes. But who cleared the lands to make the farms, who built the boats to catch the fish; who brought the benefits of the Western world to share with our Maori brethren? It was not the Maori.
Apart from Captain Cook (1769) and his gift of pigs and goats little was added from outside influences until the arrival of USA whalers and 500 escaped convicts from Australia. “Kororarika” (Russell) became the hell-hole of the Pacific. Drunken orgies and murders were common and warring tribes made life hazardous in the early days. Most of the disputes were over land and power. These were the days of the Warriors. Chief Te Wherowhero ordered 256 prisoners of the Taranaki people before him, he slew them all by a “mere” this trophy was kept by his son Matu-taera,,, the late Maori King.
IAN BROUGHAM, Wanganui
sites.google.com/site/kiwifrontline/letters-submitted-to-newspapers/unpublished-letters